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    "Everything in its place" fill's Avatar
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    Default I think MBTI is full of it.

    Why? Because I've willingly made changes to my personality from INFP to INFJ to ENTP, now closer to ENTJ, simply so I can succeed in different areas in life more efficiently.

    The test is self-fulfilling, and I think it's easy to manipulate it to make it say what you want it to say. I think a test isn't good enough, and that objective analysis of one's life, current relationship with family and friends, behavior, etc. needs to take place for a legitimate assessment of what someone's preferred "type" happens to be.

    Either way, I can just about mimic any type I damned well pleased to get what I want. After about a month of acting out a type, I simply fall into it and "become it."

    The fact that I can reprogram how I behave in a matter of weeks makes this indicator less and less useful as a source of insight to how I act and more as a tool to identify my behavior and manipulate it.

    Who else has this problem?
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    I agree, it is pretty stupid to think your personality has anything to do with celestial bodies and their astronomical arrangements at the time of your birth. Anyone who believes that stuff is surely substantially lacking in reasoning skills. Honestly, I could dismiss the attributes of those assigned to me which do not subjectively fit my tastes in what I think represents me as I would like to be, while highlighting the ones that do and pointing out that it can't just be a coincidence or generalized slurring of descriptions to fit anybody's personality mold. It's not like a major study has been done on tracking a large number of subjects who were born within minutes of each other to see if their personality traits correlate and mimic one another when they grew up and found absolutely no evidence that it is true. And if people question why I even look into that stuff I'll just tell them "It's for fun! GAWD! can't you lighten up? It's just interesting to read my daily horoscope, stop patronizing me for just being curious enough to look."

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    Quote Originally Posted by fill View Post

    I think a test isn't good enough, and that objective analysis of one's life, current relationship with family and friends, behavior, etc. needs to take place for a legitimate assessment of what someone's preferred "type" happens to be.
    Every MBTI test I have seen has recommended further exploration--some form of objective analysis of one's life, current relationship with family and friends, behavior, etc. in addition to taking the test.

    Maybe you found a test that didn't recommend further exploration.

    Or maybe you just didn't read the part that suggested you do further exploration.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wonkavision View Post
    Every MBTI test I have seen has recommended further exploration--some form of objective analysis of one's life, current relationship with family and friends, behavior, etc. in addition to taking the test.

    Maybe you found a test that didn't recommend further exploration.

    Or maybe you just didn't read the part that suggested you do further exploration.
    That's a possibility. My main gripe has to do with function analysis. I can point out functions I'm currently "using," and if I think my current set of functions is detrimental to how well I work in a situation, I will consciously switch them around for new ones to find the right fit.

    Short story: I don't think I have a "natural preference" to any type.

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    You said the answer yourself, that the test isn't enough. The theory is sound, but a lot of people's lives alter their personality temporarily against their will. I believe there is a preference, it's just that your upbringing and environment factors into how developed and understood it is. Many people just fail at the level of self-awareness required for the objective analysis of one's life.


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    Quote Originally Posted by fill View Post
    That's a possibility. My main gripe has to do with function analysis. I can point out functions I'm currently "using," and if I think my current set of functions is detrimental to how well I work in a situation, I will consciously switch them around for new ones to find the right fit.
    I think you're overanalyzing all this, Brother Fill.

    Please consider the following:

    10 years ago I tested ENTJ.

    I didn't even touch an MBTI book for 8 years after the initial test.

    Then I took a different, paid test (more comprehensive than just MBTI) and got ESTP.

    When it comes down to it, according to the function preferences in my footer, I'm definitely an Extrovert, and show a strong preference for T vs. F.

    BUT - I'm almost perfectly balanced on J/P (48/52) and near balanced on N/S (40/60).

    So, I could be ESTX or even EXTX on the right day.

    Now look at the type descriptions for all ExTx types: ENTJ, ESTJ, ENTP, and ESTP. What do you see?

    ENTJ - Jung Type Descriptions

    ENTJ - Jung Type Descriptions

    ENTP - Jung Type Descriptions

    ESTP - Jung Type Descriptions

    They all have many of the same words in common describing the archetype of these individuals.

    At one point I tested as an "Ambivert" (balanced E/I) and another ISTP.

    Then I was told to try and develop my Feelings as a means of directly combatting depression I suffered about a year ago. It was really difficult to turn them on, but once I did I was alot better at sorting through problems, especially those that couldn't be solved in a spreadsheet. After that I tested ESFP and even ISFP.

    Once you know the tests it's easier to game them, but there are others that are better at getting to the root of it without commonly used questions.

    Quote Originally Posted by fill View Post
    Short story: I don't think I have a "natural preference" to any type.
    My bet is you do, but you are rtoo focused on the trees to see the forest right now. If you forget all about this stuff ffor a few months, you will settle back into your default preference.

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    New topic:

    Have you tested for your Enneagram type?

    I'm 7w8 sx/so.

    Here's a decent quick test for your ring:

    Free Enneagram Personality Test

    The Enneagram type description for 7w8 sx/so tells ALOT about me that even the better ESTP type descriptions do not state.

    I'm better off with the ESTP type descriptions if I (a) delete some of the stupid negative shit in it, and (b) consider my 7w8 sx/so description for material to fill in what the ESTP type descriptions misses. Between the two you get a farily good generic representation of key aspects of my personality. But, I'm a tricky bastard, so don't count on all of it in trying to figure me out.

    Good luck, Brother Fill! I hope you are well!

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    BIG 5 -> Extroversion 77% ; Accommodation 60% ; Orderliness 62% ; Emotional Stability 64% ; Open Mindedness 74%

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    I think looking at function usage and orientation is ultimately more useful, particularly if you don't fit any particular archetype that closely. Being able to "act like another type", although I suspect this equates more to acting like the stereotype of another type (though this obviously depends on your level of understanding) may indicate a greater degree of functional maturity and mental flexibility.

    Ultimately however, most people who want to fit the archetype (or stereotype) associated with the type they test as are going to end up doing so, and most who don't, won't, precisely because the enhanced awareness that learning about the types and functions gives you, opens up new options for modifying your habituated patterns of thought and behaviour. You can choose to make use of that knowledge to change who you are or you can use it to reinforce who you are. Same process, aimed at defining your self-perception, except that one may lead to you getting a different result in future and the other will lead to you getting the same.

    I don't think it's very useful as a predictive or deterministic system to tell you how you ought to be, which is what a lot of people unfortunately choose to take it as being. It's quite good for describing how you are at the moment, if understood correctly. Also, obviously, any self-assessment test, once you know the rationale on which it operates, can be manipulated to give the result you want to achieve. Nothing surprising about that. The more interesting question I would want you to ask yourself is why you would feel the need to do so, and what you get out of it?
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    This is the biggest problem I have with any kind of psychology in particular that suggests there is a right way of being. Jungian enthusiasts and the like that believe type is inherent and set in stone can be just as bad as a psychiatrist that believes in mental illness as the cause for all of humanities ill-wills (not going to even mention the idea of medication).

    Now if a lot of people find this useful and find that it explains a lot about them and others and can use that to better deal with and understand and help other people, then great. But it scares me when people start to believe they are one thing or another and nothing can change that. If you take away what someone believes in, what becomes of them? They say you learn what someone truly is underneath when they have everything (including beliefs) taken away from them...

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    Quote Originally Posted by fill View Post
    Why? Because I've willingly made changes to my personality from INFP to INFJ to ENTP, now closer to ENTJ, simply so I can succeed in different areas in life more efficiently.
    Congratulations! You've figured out how to effectively utilize MBTI and Jungian theory. They're intended to illustrate your strengths and weaknesses, so you have a starting point.

    The final tests of pass or fail, will be how you react when under severe stress or handling trauma that impacts on your inferior or shadow functions.

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    I'm sure that we've all got limits to exactly how far we can "bend," but I'm sure that we can bend a lot more than we give ourselves credit for. The capability matures as we mature.

    To a certain extent, I look at MBTI to see the things that I have to work on in myself. I'd like to be balanced in terms of functional descriptions. Having a "one size fits all" mentality to life stifles growth as a person.

    (Balance isn't about "either/or"--it's "and.")

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