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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    Also, note that the ESTPs break this correllation of introverts scoring higher than all the extroverts.

    From scouring the data, I've noticed that it's the times when the correlations break that are just as important as the times that they hold.
    I find it interesting that the N bit does NOT break. It's all Ns at top, and it's all INs at the very top.

    The T/F divide appears to make very little difference at all. Even if one "dislikes" this data for suggesting a "superiority" of N, it is quite edifying to note that F's of both "flavors" score very high when they're INFx. Notice that gifted INFPs are very common (over 10%!). Never assume that an INFP is "stupid" due to the "FP"!!! The opposite is the case, in my experience.

    It is interesting to see that in the E part of the picture, it's totally dominated by Ne, which isn't entirely unexpected. Even though Ne doms are nominally extroverted, they can be fairly introverted by normal social standards, which makes them "nerds", too.

    It is also interesting to note that ESxJ comprises almost 30% of the "normal" population, but are about equivalent to the percentages of the other xSxx "gifted" population. It is possible to interpret this as saying "ESxJ" is the "stupidest" of the types, but another way to interpret it is that people tend to type based on their expected roles in society rather than their real type. If we regard ESxJ as representing "expected roles", then this isn't a sign of the gifted percentages being low, but rather the MBTI test getting too many ESTJ and ESFJ results due to peoples' self-perception being based on society's expectations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orobas View Post
    Which do you prefer:

    A) B, C, D, E, F, G, H
    B) %, $, #, !, 1, (, ^,

    This question brought glee into my soul for some reason.....I actually laughed out loud in happiness...
    A) B, C, D, E, F, G, H


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    Quote Originally Posted by uumlau View Post
    I find it interesting that the N bit does NOT break. It's all Ns at top, and it's all INs at the very top.
    Well, personally, I do believe that N is a higher order of thinking than S, so...

    This study basically just confirmed my preconceived notions...

    Quote Originally Posted by uumlau View Post
    The T/F divide appears to make very little difference at all. Even if one "dislikes" this data for suggesting a "superiority" of N, it is quite edifying to note that F's of both "flavors" score very high when they're INFx. Notice that gifted INFPs are very common (over 10%!). Never assume that an INFP is "stupid" due to the "FP"!!! The opposite is the case, in my experience.
    Yeah, I think that's one of the most interesting parts of the study, and lends it a great deal of strength.

    Some people have argued that IQ tests and thus "giftedness" would be most associated with being an xNTx, but that is clearly not that case.

    Furthermore, the study is not at all dominated by just one function, I mean, you get Ti+Ne, Ni+Te, Fi+Ne, and Ni+Fe in the top four spots.

    That's some pretty good dispersion... which lends the study credibility, imo.

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    also--what is "gifted"? what practical value, what metric can we establish to show the value of "gifted"?

    (The symbols were so much cooler....)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orobas View Post
    also--what is "gifted"? what practical value, what metric can we establish to show the value of "gifted"?
    I dunno... maybe it's that I was in the GATE program, but there was a very clear difference between my peers in that program and the rest of the students at the school.

    In general, you needed to have a 130+ IQ to get into the program.

    Quote Originally Posted by Orobas View Post
    (The symbols were so much cooler....)
    Why did I know you would say that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orobas View Post
    also--what is "gifted"? what practical value, what metric can we establish to show the value of "gifted"?
    That's exactly why I think the ESxJ's score so "low". If "most people" think of themselves as some generic type (ESxJ), because they don't think very deeply at all, it would totally skew the results this way. That is, all of the "smart people" type themselves "well," but that doesn't stop the "not so smart people" from typing themselves poorly, thus skewing all of the results. Heck, I believe it's possible for "stupid INTPs" to self classify as ESFJs because that's what they think they need to be.

    So it wouldn't be a misrepresentation of the "gifted" percentages that lead to a poor measurement, but the confusing nature of the questions to those who are not as "gifted."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orobas View Post
    I think we all need to get drunk today....

    I took this test and it was hysterical as could not map some the questions into T or F....but my choice was always obvious.
    My choices were obvious. "BOTH." I didn't even hesitate.

    I had no second thoughts about any answers...I have no doubts whatsoever what my answer should be to each of the above-as an adult or as a kid.
    I had no second thoughts with the questions I answered. Surely you don't think I couldn't make up my mind? I had zero hesitation.
    The answer was "both" for me, because it's true.


    Which do you prefer:

    A) B, C, D, E, F, G, H
    B) %, $, #, !, 1, (, ^,

    NEITHER. They both look like uncreative shit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaguar View Post
    My choices were obvious. "BOTH." I didn't even hesitate.

    I had no second thoughts with the questions I answered. Surely you don't think I couldn't make up my mind? I had zero hesitation.
    The answer was "both" for me, because it's true.

    NEITHER. They both look like uncreative shit.
    Spoken like a true Jj.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    I dunno... maybe it's that I was in the GATE program, but there was a very clear difference between my peers in that program and the rest of the students at the school.

    In general, you needed to have a 130+ IQ to get into the program.
    ENTJs are hysterical btw.... I want to smother them in funny symbols for some reason....

    Yeah, my ESFP bro and sis both ended up in the gifted program but they kick your ass out if you dont do homework so by high school were in normal programs. My ESTP sis in law was gifted. Her ISTP bro, my ex, was failing everything in high school and robbing guns from people's homes. He has an IQ over 150. He took the SAT after getting picked up from jail , still drunk, at 8 am, and made the highest score in the county in five years.

    Thus a bit of concern regarding the Se users....Their IQs may be quite high, but you dont see that as they lead very different life paths, especially when young.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    Spoken like a true ENTJ.
    Your girlfriend knows better. I love smart women.

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