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    Agreed...

    Mind explaining why you'd trust one over the other?

    I mean, when n=5,700+, I'd think it would be reasonably accurate...

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    Quote Originally Posted by uumlau View Post
    If it's the study I'm thinking of, wasn't the highest correlation with "INxx" as being the most gifted, overall, with fairly insignificant differences between the options for xx?

    It sort of made sense to me, in that "INxx" basically means, "spends lots of time thinking about things in an abstract way, without much social interaction."

    The reason that Ti and Fi are "scoring lower" in your list above is that you're bringing in ISFP and ISTP to aggregate with the INFP and INTP results. This isn't to suggest that Se isn't as bright, but they don't dwell on abstract ideas in the same way, and abstract ideas tend to correlate with the classical definitions of IQ and "gifted." INxx as a type would imply that one gets a lot of practice "just thinking," hence a high correlation with skill on IQ tests and the like.
    Here's the raw data off which I based everything.

    I've literally sliced the data 100 different ways, and there's tons of interesting observations you can make...

    Sorry for the formatting, but there's no good way to display it on the forum without a considerable amount of effort...

    Type Ratio Gifted % Norm %
    INTP 3.40 12.03 3.54
    INTJ 2.87 7.53 2.62
    INFP 2.68 10.41 3.89
    INFJ 2.67 4.78 1.79
    ENTP 2.32 11.35 4.89
    ENFP 2.03 15.45 7.6
    ENTJ 1.49 5.84 3.93
    ENFJ 1.26 4.55 3.61
    ISTJ 0.99 6.83 6.92
    ISTP 0.78 3.23 4.16
    ESTP 0.49 3.21 6.52
    ISFJ 0.40 2.73 6.82
    ISFP 0.40 2.15 5.4
    ESFP 0.28 2.63 9.37
    ESTJ 0.26 3.89 14.97
    ESFJ 0.24 3.31 13.97
    Overall 1.00 99.92 100

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    Here's the raw data off which I based everything.

    I've literally sliced the data 100 different ways, and there's tons of interesting observations you can make...

    Sorry for the formatting, but there's no good way to display it on the forum without a considerable amount of effort...

    Type Ratio Gifted % Norm %
    INTP 3.40 12.03 3.54
    INTJ 2.87 7.53 2.62
    INFP 2.68 10.41 3.89
    INFJ 2.67 4.78 1.79
    ENTP 2.32 11.35 4.89
    ENFP 2.03 15.45 7.6
    ENTJ 1.49 5.84 3.93
    ENFJ 1.26 4.55 3.61
    ISTJ 0.99 6.83 6.92
    ISTP 0.78 3.23 4.16
    ESTP 0.49 3.21 6.52
    ISFJ 0.40 2.73 6.82
    ISFP 0.40 2.15 5.4
    ESFP 0.28 2.63 9.37
    ESTJ 0.26 3.89 14.97
    ESFJ 0.24 3.31 13.97
    Overall 1.00 99.92 100
    Yeah, that's the one. I don't regard the data as extremely reliable, but it is rather suggestive.

    Note all the "INxx" at the top. Notice how your alternate slicing hides the top-level INTP result. Notice how the other results in INxx are not terribly different, statistically speaking.

    The main things I note is a primary indication that N > S (in terms of the specific "gifted" definition ... these may well include "S" folks in the "N" group due to an aptitude for abstract thinking regarded as a preference for abstract thinking), and as a secondary indication I > E. If you spend your time extroverted toward people or the world as a whole, you tend not to be a classic "nerd" who gets put into a gifted program.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uumlau View Post
    Yeah, that's the one. I don't regard the data as extremely reliable, but it is rather suggestive.

    Note all the "INxx" at the top. Notice how your alternate slicing hides the top-level INTP result. Notice how the other results in INxx are not terribly different, statistically speaking.

    The main things I note is a primary indication that N > S (in terms of the specific "gifted" definition ... these may well include "S" folks in the "N" group due to an aptitude for abstract thinking regarded as a preference for abstract thinking), and as a secondary indication I > E. If you spend your time extroverted toward people or the world as a whole, you tend not to be a classic "nerd" who gets put into a gifted program.
    True all.

    I think "suggestive" is the appropriate term for the data.

    The fact that the data corroborates very well with my own a priori assumptions, gathered mostly from being in the GATE program, but also my own studies into MBTI, further supports its "suggestiveness", in my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uumlau View Post
    The main things I note is a primary indication that N > S (in terms of the specific "gifted" definition ... these may well include "S" folks in the "N" group due to an aptitude for abstract thinking regarded as a preference for abstract thinking), and as a secondary indication I > E. If you spend your time extroverted toward people or the world as a whole, you tend not to be a classic "nerd" who gets put into a gifted program.
    Also, note that the ESTPs break this correllation of introverts scoring higher than all the extroverts.

    From scouring the data, I've noticed that it's the times when the correlations break that are just as important as the times that they hold.

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    Type Ratio Gifted % Norm %
    INTP 3.40 12.03 3.54
    INTJ 2.87 7.53 2.62
    INFP 2.68 10.41 3.89
    INFJ 2.67 4.78 1.79
    ENTP 2.32 11.35 4.89
    ENFP 2.03 15.45 7.6
    ENTJ 1.49 5.84 3.93
    ENFJ 1.26 4.55 3.61
    ISTJ 0.99 6.83 6.92
    ISTP 0.78 3.23 4.16
    ESTP 0.49 3.21 6.52
    ISFJ 0.40 2.73 6.82
    ISFP 0.40 2.15 5.4
    ESFP 0.28 2.63 9.37
    ESTJ 0.26 3.89 14.97
    ESFJ 0.24 3.31 13.97
    Overall 1.00 99.92 100

    Another very interesting correlation is that, if you take the varying definitions for Jness and Pness between MBTI and Socionics, that the types that are J by one definition and P by the other, tend to score the highest amongst their perceiving group (N vs S).

    The types that score P by both definitions (I call them the "PPs") tend to score below the "JPs", but higher than those who score J by both definitions ("JJs", who tend to score the lowest of their perceiving group).

    To be more specific, INTPs, INTJs, INFPs and INFJS are the "JPs" of the Ns, and they score the highest amongst the Ns. The PPS (ENTPs and ENFPS) come in after them. The JJs (ENTJs and ENFJs) come in after them.

    Almost the same correllation holds true for the Ss (with the ESTPs, once again, being the exception to the rule).


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    And just for fairness, when you look at the types that have any one function in either their dom or aux position, Ne is actually the most highly correllated with giftedness:

    Function Ratio Gifted % Norm %
    Ne 2.47 49.24 19.92
    Ni 1.90 22.7 11.95
    Ti 1.56 29.82 19.11
    Fi 1.17 30.64 26.26
    Te 0.85 24.09 28.44
    Fe 0.59 15.37 26.19
    Se 0.44 11.22 25.45
    Si 0.39 16.76 42.68
    Overall 1.00 199.84 200

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    And just for comprehensiveness' sake, here are the results for when a function is in only the aux position:

    Function Ratio Gifted % Norm %
    Ne 3.02 22.44 7.43
    Te 1.51 14.36 9.54
    Ni 1.38 10.39 7.54
    Ti 1.28 14.56 11.41
    Fi 1.07 18.08 16.97
    Fe 0.87 7.51 8.61
    Se 0.56 5.38 9.56
    Si 0.25 7.2 28.94
    Overall 1.00 99.92 100

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    And just for fairness, when you look at the types that have any one function in either their dom or aux position, Ne is actually the most highly correllated with giftedness:

    Function Ratio Gifted % Norm %
    Ne 2.47 49.24 19.92
    Ni 1.90 22.7 11.95
    Ti 1.56 29.82 19.11
    Fi 1.17 30.64 26.26
    Te 0.85 24.09 28.44
    Fe 0.59 15.37 26.19
    Se 0.44 11.22 25.45
    Si 0.39 16.76 42.68
    Overall 1.00 199.84 200
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaguar View Post
    I just saw the sample items and they're ridiculous.

    What bothers you more:

    Not knowing the answer
    People getting angry

    As a child I would answer BOTH.

    Kids who steal should be:

    Helped to stop stealing
    Punished

    BOTH.

    Choose the word you like better:

    Challenge
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    BOTH



    I can't stand any more of their idiotic questions.
    If I have to lie to get a result, that test is silly.
    I think we all need to get drunk today....

    I took this test and it was hysterical as could not map some the questions into T or F....but my choice was always obvious. unlike the MBTI, I had no second thoughts about any answers...I have no doubts whatsoever what my answer should be to each of the above-as an adult or as a kid.

    She rewrote all the Qs...unlike the original Qs from the MBTI which many are from the original MBTI years ago...because she had the flexibility to do so, she could start from scratch.

    the funniest q was this one:

    Which do you prefer:

    A) B, C, D, E, F, G, H
    B) %, $, #, !, 1, (, ^,

    This question brought glee into my soul for some reason.....I actually laughed out loud in happiness...

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