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  • I am Ti dom and I have discomfort with Te doms

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    Ok. here we go. First off.



    "When I run sessions on the 8 cognitive processes, I separate my groups into Te and Ti groups and give them a project. What I notice is that the Te group tends to get their HANDS on the elements of the project, spread them around, and physically position them. The Ti group tends to lean back, fold their arms, and theorize endlessly about the project and seldom actually touch the elements. Ti seems to want to "think it through," while Te seems to want to "get it done." The introverted and extraverted aspects of this process seem very apparent to me, and the contrast in "timetables" is fascinating.

    When the 2 groups debrief their projects, the Te people notice nothing "got done" on the Ti side. In return, the Ti people want to know what *principles* the Te people were using, and have a concern about all that activity "for the sake of what?"

    Elsewhere online I have seen vicious debates between people who say the outer world should conform to the inner world, and others who say the inner world should conform to the outer world. (Things like, "if the facts don't fit the theory, then change the theory" VERSUS "if the facts don't fit the theory, then something is flawed about the research method" and similar remarks that illustrate e/i differences.)

    I believe John Beebe has said it is common for Te people to take Ti principles and "dogmatize" them. So, for instance, Jung's theory of psychological types is often presented as discrete, absolute categories when in fact it is a model of *preferences*. So right there you can see Te/Ti differences."

    (that was posted by Vicky Jo Varner (infjorinfp.com author) on the cognitiveprocesses.com forum page)


    Also, on Dario Nardi PhD Home Page go to 'free articles' and in the article 'The wisdom of the sixth function, read the part about Ti (for I_TJs) and about Te (for E_TPs).

    Read Einstien's relativity paper and see how you handle it (The thing is an introverted thinking manifesto. He comes up with a whole new theory out of a mere desire to make two frameworks consistent with each other)

    I do notice that DomTi professors often don't (or don't even try to) guage how quickly and easily students digest material. they might dedicate equal amount of time and explanation to the most difficult and easiest material in a class, sending students into a panic one week and lulling them back to sleep the next (and all they while not even noticing these effects).

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    Excellent post @ Gabe.

    I work very well with INTJs, who can typically temper their Te behind a more nebulous wall of Ni. ENTJs are usually too abrasive for close contact for long. They can make it hard for me to think. Depending on the dynamics and degree of familiarity, I either wait till I can withdraw, or ask them to stfu.

    Respect sometimes becomes a problem in a more personal relationship with either, but especially with the ENTJ.

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    If you are an Intp, and they are an ENTJ, you probably confuse them. To extraverted thinking types, introverted thinking types seem prone to 'overcomplicate' everything.
    Regardless of this persons type, you could mention out loud that they're making it hard for you to think.
    Although I know an ENTJ friend who is constantly frustrated with out INTP professor, I think this only carries on because both parties aren't *trying* to get back on the same page.

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    From what I can tell, T is about understanding the nature of something in order to work with it in the best way possible, in general. Te tends towards being about achievement and efficiency towards the goal, and Ti is about specifying the nature of what's being dealt with. Both eventually incorporate part of the other's process to some extent, however.

    Another difference I've noted (generally, not always) is that people with conscious Ti seem to tend more towards pessimism and worry/self-doubt about their abilities, while people with conscious Te seem to tend towards optimism that any setbacks in the charted course can be worked around.

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    Another reason is that I tend to end up having fights over the meanings of words with them and I hate that. I feel like they refuse to understand the spirit of what I'm saying, and instead they want to pick apart my word choices. I guess I feel like they not only don't understand me, but are choosing to not understand me, so we can have a fight instead.
    These are the exact type of arguments I get into with my ESTJ friend. I love to argue though, cause I think I tend to think that if we go at it long enough, we can both arrive at the logical truth.

    In college now, I find a lot of my professors in lecture-heavy classes are clearly Ti. (As opposed to high school where a disportionate number of SJ teachers reigned.) I kind of like it, especially since it makes them sort of laid back and easy to discuss back and forth with, but sometimes they can really be divorced from the source material. It can be a very from their mind to yours sort of learning experience, which can be frustrating if you want to know specifics- like from the book or what's going to be on the test.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colors View Post
    In college now, I find a lot of my professors in lecture-heavy classes are clearly Ti. (As opposed to high school where a disportionate number of SJ teachers reigned.) I kind of like it, especially since it makes them sort of laid back and easy to discuss back and forth with, but sometimes they can really be divorced from the source material. It can be a very from their mind to yours sort of learning experience, which can be frustrating if you want to know specifics- like from the book or what's going to be on the test.
    Although what's interesting about that is, that if I listen to them talk, so many inherent principles and archetypes permeate their material that I can eventually guess what they're going to say next. It's like they take everything they're teaching you, and fit it into predictable paradigms in their mind. Ti's often seem to lead everything they perceive back to how it relates to the same core principles or ideas, even though they venture quite far out with their train of thought. It seems to lessen as they get older, and have more different core principles and ideas to draw from.

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    Quote Originally Posted by athenian200 View Post
    Another difference I've noted (generally, not always) is that people with conscious Ti seem to tend more towards pessimism and worry/self-doubt about their abilities, while people with conscious Te seem to tend towards optimism that any setbacks in the charted course can be worked around.
    IXTPs do seem to have a marked penchant for pessimism. What's with that?

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    I think that is a better comparison htb.

    I've noticed in teaching math that people who have an easy time with algebra often struggle somewhat with geometry and vice-versa. I believe that algebra favors Te and geometry Ti. (Calculus tends to have a decent balance of both.) I think it is because algebra is heavily symbol oriented, and geometry is picture oriented.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Liquid_Laser View Post
    I think that is a better comparison htb.

    I've noticed in teaching math that people who have an easy time with algebra often struggle somewhat with geometry and vice-versa. I believe that algebra favors Te and geometry Ti. (Calculus tends to have a decent balance of both.) I think it is because algebra is heavily symbol oriented, and geometry is picture oriented.
    I thought that was a well-accepted theory. I've always wondered why that was so, and if there weren't people who were great at both.

    My husband, son (both INTPs and lefties) and I (IXFJ) are algebra people. My INFJ daughter (also a lefty) has an excellent grasp of geometry and finds it quite easy.

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