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    Quote Originally Posted by PinkPiranha View Post
    I'd like to throw in that I think personality is a set point in space and that it acts when acted upon (externally or internally), but does not alter in essential make-up.

    My mother said recently that Jaye and I have always behaved like "us", even as babies. Came out with strongly defined personalities. I didn't like to be held as much, was pretty serious and intense, and was always trying to stand up, walk, watch the adults. Jaye was way more social, cuddly, warm, and bright-eyed. In her pictures, she smiled a lot. I thought she was braver and more adventurous than me, even when we were small.

    Though environment and other personality types have acted UPON our own, Jaye's been Jaye. I've been me. Nothing mysterious or amorphous about it, at least in my mind.
    Having had 3 children, and having learned a lot on this subject, it has long been acknowledged that your mother's observations are correct. Babies come out with a certain foundational "personality" already in place.

    Quote Originally Posted by PinkPiranha View Post
    Also, can anyone make heads or tails of that male-female twin set that recently met and married by accident? What were the odds?
    I know. Right?
    Obviously, there was some sort of souls attraction or identity thing going on and they mistook it for romantic attraction.
    They knew they belonged together!

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    I think I woulda had a "Crying Game"-esque can't get clean moment. O.o lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by PinkPiranha View Post
    Also, can anyone make heads or tails of that male-female twin set that recently met and married by accident? What were the odds?
    OMG. I heard about that on the radio a couple of weeks ago. Quite creepy, but really, how would they know? I'm sure that it was dramatized a bit for publication, but the radio announcer made a big deal of them saying "we had so much in common".

    I just had this awful conversation in mind that started with "how old are you? - oh, me too!", and went through "when is your birthday? - oh, me too, what a coincidence!", and ending up at "where did you live when you were a kid? - I was adopted in AAA from hospital BBB - oh, me to... "

    You have to feel bad for them, although I heard that they're still friends. Definitely eerie though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elfinchilde View Post
    why do you assume the fourth is a 'her'?

    can i call wildcat meowie? love the way his mind works.

    but i digress. just personally as an identical twin (how many pairs of twins are there here? ):

    it's a nature vs nurture argument. To put everything down to DNA and say that just because twins share the same genome, they'd be exactly the same, is too absolute perhaps?

    because who we are is ultimately shaped by the environment. and even though the macro environment may be the same (eg, same socio-cultural background, same family and place of school/growing up etc), the daily micro-environment will be different (the individualised experiences one has).

    that would shape personality, wouldn't it?

    aelan pointed out rightly too: most DNA as far as humans are concerned (elf majored in microbiology, btw) comes from the main nucleus of the cell itself. but in the cytoplasm resides the mitochondrial DNA (which comes from the maternal line), and so, not 100% of the DNA in twins are the same. which accounts for the differences in dental records and thumbprints, even though the main DNA profile (blood type etc) are the same.

    i'm visual. so to simplify things:

    imagine two snowflakes of almost the same composition in the sky. then they fall. along the way, they'd meet different obstacles and winds and all that. that's what shapes them differently, the wings of the crystals will be different, even though the core would (likely) be mostly the same.

    i hope i managed some clarity in the above rambling.
    I pondered and pondered. The chromosomes are tricky.

    5X + 2X + Y = her.
    5X + 1X + 2Y = him.

    6 seats have already been occupied in our elfie meowie family. Let the sole Y prevail!

    Snowflakes are beautiful. Yes, they are not exactly the same. Also the temperature makes a remarkable change, especially how they reflect light.
    On frosty cloudless moonshine nights, when the wolves are howling, they appear very white.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wildcat View Post
    I pondered and pondered. The chromosomes are tricky.

    5X + 2X + Y = her.
    5X + 1X + 2Y = him.

    6 seats have already been occupied in our elfie meowie family. Let the sole Y prevail!

    Snowflakes are beautiful. Yes, they are not exactly the same. Also the temperature makes a remarkable change, especially how they reflect light.
    On frosty cloudless moonshine nights, when the wolves are howling, they appear very white.

    lol. theoretically, seven seats have been occupied, and it's a 50% chance of the last one. But ok, since you're my meowie, i'll let the sole Y prevail.

    oh yea. frost on the window pane, fragility and beauty and ephemerality all at once. transience. "sic vita" --latin: such is life.

    "and this, too, shall pass"

    all the ancient wisdom of the ages. they come through the maternal line, ya know?

    only Xs are preserved. Some part of genetic memory. Ever saw Dali's The Persistence of Memory? (otherwise known as the melting clocks picture).

    explication of symbol and significance:

    that thing in the foreground, it's an unborn foetus.

    with melting clocks all around: time is not of essence in memory, since memory loops in the space of time. you can be 8 again, or you can be 80, in memory, time is not a straight line. it melts.

    a jade green milky sea: the unconsciousness.

    a foetus: from the time before birth.

    so persistence of memory: what do you remember, what do you know, from your time in the womb, from before your time in the womb?

    think about it.
    You gave me hyacinths first a year ago;
    They called me the hyacinth girl.
    Yet when we came back, late, from the Hyacinth garden,
    Your arms full, and your hair wet, I could not
    Speak, and my eyes failed, I was neither
    Living nor dead, and I knew nothing,
    Looking into the heart of light, the silence.

    --T.S Eliot, The Wasteland

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    Quote Originally Posted by wildcat View Post
    Elfinchilde is a right handed INTP, and I am a left handed INTP.
    We are trins.
    You're twins with Elf? Does Elf have aspergers as well? I'm curious why I can't understand you some of the time but (s?)he does instantly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wildcat View Post
    I pondered and pondered. The chromosomes are tricky.

    5X + 2X + Y = her.
    5X + 1X + 2Y = him.

    6 seats have already been occupied in our elfie meowie family. Let the sole Y prevail!

    Snowflakes are beautiful. Yes, they are not exactly the same. Also the temperature makes a remarkable change, especially how they reflect light.
    On frosty cloudless moonshine nights, when the wolves are howling, they appear very white.
    Ah. You are family, and Elf is a she.

    Still, does she have asp.?
    we fukin won boys

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    nocapszy, i'm twins with aelan. no blood relation with wildcat, but he's kinda my meowie now.

    i *get* him (not perfectly all the time of course) cos he's mathematical, but i'm visual. so really, if you get wildcat's main thesis, the rest are just details. ie, once you get the big picture, you can fit the rest in words, actions, numbers, pictures, sounds, doesn't quite matter. it's just going by a different path but parallel process.

    the difficulty is in first 'locking into' his mind. (hope meowie doesn't mind this explication of him...)

    i don't think i have aspergers, altho sometimes i do suspect i have some high functioning autism. alternatively, it's just that i choose to deny reality. anything is possible.
    You gave me hyacinths first a year ago;
    They called me the hyacinth girl.
    Yet when we came back, late, from the Hyacinth garden,
    Your arms full, and your hair wet, I could not
    Speak, and my eyes failed, I was neither
    Living nor dead, and I knew nothing,
    Looking into the heart of light, the silence.

    --T.S Eliot, The Wasteland

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nocapszy View Post
    Still, does she have asp.?
    Quote Originally Posted by elfinchilde View Post
    i don't think i have aspergers, altho sometimes i do suspect i have some high functioning autism. alternatively, it's just that i choose to deny reality. anything is possible.
    reality, after all, is a Rorsarch ink blot. --Alan Watts.

    What do you choose to believe, nocapszy?

    You gave me hyacinths first a year ago;
    They called me the hyacinth girl.
    Yet when we came back, late, from the Hyacinth garden,
    Your arms full, and your hair wet, I could not
    Speak, and my eyes failed, I was neither
    Living nor dead, and I knew nothing,
    Looking into the heart of light, the silence.

    --T.S Eliot, The Wasteland

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    Nocap,

    No to aspie, otherwise, I'd have it too, same with autism. What you're seeing is Ne on the loose, rather.

    Ti-Ne is a coded language of its own. It permits in whom it pleases, it can choose to simplify for others if it wants.

    Why they read each other well, is simply because they share common Ti reference points from which the Ne builds its tree on. Namely art, history, literature, philosophy, psychology, sociology, from classical to modern.

    And welcome to the family, wildcat. The 7th is the number of fire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aelan View Post
    Nocap,

    No to aspie, otherwise, I'd have it too, same with autism. What you're seeing is Ne on the loose, rather.

    Ti-Ne is a coded language of its own. It permits in whom it pleases, it can choose to simplify for others if it wants.

    Why they read each other well, is simply because they share common Ti reference points from which the Ne builds its tree on. Namely art, history, literature, philosophy, psychology, sociology, from classical to modern.

    And welcome to the family, wildcat. The 7th is the number of fire.
    the elf is an interpreter, mainly. she translates.

    you know, like how people always separate their five senses? but really, it's all the same.

    an A note on the piano is the same as the taste of lemon butter, is the same as the colour of pale yellow.

    permutations of the same theme. that's all. synesthesia.

    Ne on the loose, if you'd prefer it that way. It's a way of living with no restrictions. but beneath chaos is order. it's just whether you can get it, or not. (hmm...Js may not quite get it tho... )
    You gave me hyacinths first a year ago;
    They called me the hyacinth girl.
    Yet when we came back, late, from the Hyacinth garden,
    Your arms full, and your hair wet, I could not
    Speak, and my eyes failed, I was neither
    Living nor dead, and I knew nothing,
    Looking into the heart of light, the silence.

    --T.S Eliot, The Wasteland

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