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    Quote Originally Posted by FrisbeeLad View Post
    First, I'm new here. Searched for this topic. Didn't find anything and thus, the new thread. Apologies up-front if this thread already exists.

    So...I'd say I've been type-watching and learning about MBTI for about 10 years or so and there's two things I've never seen.

    1) A child and parent of the same MBTI type
    2) Two siblings of the same type

    It must be possible as you couldn't avoid it in a family of 15/16+, but how often does that really occur in the world today?

    Has any one out there that's fairly experienced with MBTI ever seen either phenomena?

    Thanks!
    I'm of the opinion that MBTI is somewhat genetically influenced, so I would expect to find a child and parent of the same MBTI type, yet I think it's less likely to find two siblings of the same type.

    I have an ISTP husband and an ISTP son.
    My daughter is ISTJ with a high N.
    My mother is ISTJ with a high N.
    And of course, you can see from my username that I am an INTJ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FrisbeeLad View Post
    Whoa!!! Three of you. That's amazing!!! I think I need to revise my belief that same sibling and parent types, in Western families, ARE possible but (to me) now are just either a) rare or b) extremely rare.
    I'll leave the probability calculations to someone else (pt?) but I wouldn't think it's all that rare to see two same-type family members. To illustrate, I've got more anecdotal evidence: My SO is an ENFP like his mother and my friend Blackwater's late father was an ENTP like him.

    However, I'll grant you that three INTJs is probably extremely rare.

    The identical-twin, near-identical personality thing is interesting. We're so far counting four pairs of identical twins who are off on only one letter, right?

    That must've been a trip growing up in that setting.
    What, you mean not everyone bonds with their mother over the perfecting of manipulative strategies?

    I completely agree about the mirror in which flaws are doubly unattractive in same types. The mirror becomes more of a magnifying glass; hopefully not focused too long and intense like we used to do as kids burning dried leaves or even insects with sunlight.
    Methinks the magnification is proportional to how much we suffer from the same flaw.

    Reading your previous posts that you referred me too was sort of eerie because my British INTJ friend talks and writes VERY VERY similarly. That could've been him simply talking to me. Weird and cool at the same time!!
    I know how you feel. It's experiences like that one that keep me an MBTI believer.

    He also likes Ayn Rand. Lately he's taken a serious liking to the Austrian school of economics and libertarianism. Some of his ideas though seem TOO idealistic for me about "the market sorting everything out"; more so when it comes to public trust commodities like water. I can see it working for other things. However, I asked a libertarian Web site if they could name a single country that was a libertarian state and they said Somalia. That was it and that country doesn't seem like it's working too well or effectively. Of course, I do know that Western countries are f***ing with that experiment so it may not ever work. I just like to see that ideal somewhere and somehow working in a practical (Sensor) manner. Anyway...we rambling again. Sorry.
    I'm with you on this one. Libertarians who think the market can sort everything out are either ignorant or being all religious about it. This essay pretty much sums up my Ayn Rand fanhood.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wildcat View Post
    Is the mutation the mechanism of the end?

    Or the mechanism at the outset?
    A little too cryptic for my Sensate mind. Can you clarify your question(s) a bit more?

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    Quote Originally Posted by INTJMom View Post
    I'm of the opinion that MBTI is somewhat genetically influenced, so I would expect to find a child and parent of the same MBTI type, yet I think it's less likely to find two siblings of the same type.

    I have an ISTP husband and an ISTP son.
    My daughter is ISTJ with a high N.
    My mother is ISTJ with a high N.
    And of course, you can see from my username that I am an INTJ.
    Well...if we do the straight math...with a family of two kids...the second child has a 1/16 (6.25%) chance of being the same type as the older sibling.

    With a single child having the same type as a parent...there's a 1/15 (6.67%) chance I think (assuming two parents aren't of the same type...how often does THAT occur?!!)? I'm not great at statistics and probabilities.

    However, seems like personality theorists have found that not all of the 16 types occur at the same frequency. So that would tweak the probabilities of identical sib-sib or parent-child type occurrences. Thus, making some types more likely to be "repeated" within smaller-sized families (say 1-4 children). Weren't INFJ's and INTJ's considered the two less likely to occur of the types? I think Keirsey thinks that (or has survey numbers to back that up).

    I too am also of the opinion that MBTI is genetically influenced, such that offspring would tend to be fusions of the parent types. Thus...if there's any validity to my OPINION...then (as a second opinion) seems the likelihood of sib-sib "identity" in "smaller" families would be < 1/16 (6.25%).

    On a sidenote: I've seen MANY instances of grandparent-grandchild same-types.

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    Quote Originally Posted by INTJMom View Post
    I'm of the opinion that MBTI is somewhat genetically influenced, so I would expect to find a child and parent of the same MBTI type, yet I think it's less likely to find two siblings of the same type.

    I have an ISTP husband and an ISTP son.
    My daughter is ISTJ with a high N.
    My mother is ISTJ with a high N.
    And of course, you can see from my username that I am an INTJ.
    Oh yeah...your ISTJ daughter with a high N could simply be an environmental factor...that being that she was raised by you an INTJ.

    My mother is an INFP, my father ISTJ. However, they divorced when I was 6 and my father remarried to an ESFP when I was 8 (still married many years later). Dad/step-mom - formerly US military moved A LOT. I was raised pretty-much by a single INFP mom. I tend to think that I have an OK understanding of N's and possibly not as strong of an S as had I been raised by S parents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Economica View Post
    However, I'll grant you that three INTJs is probably extremely rare.
    Agreed!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Economica View Post
    What, you mean not everyone bonds with their mother over the perfecting of manipulative strategies?
    Oh shiiit!!! Good one!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Economica View Post
    I'm with you on this one. Libertarians who think the market can sort everything out are either ignorant or being all religious about it. This essay pretty much sums up my Ayn Rand fanhood.
    My INFJ wife is in gradual school for a career change to counseling from engineering. Crazy huh?! It's a good step for her. Anyway...she was telling me about this psychological theory developed by George Kelly called cognitive complexity/cognitive simplicity. "In which, people high in cognitive complexity are able to see variety among people and can easily place a person in many categories. They are better able to make predictions about other people's behavoir. They more readily recognize differences between themselves and others, are more empathic, and deal better with inconsistent information in constructing others than do people high in cognitive simplicity" (Crockett, 1982)

    Took it from her Theories of Personality text.

    Another quote..."Studies of politicians in the US and England found that conservatives were high in cognitive simplicity, whereas moderates and liberals displayed higher levels of cognitive complexity" (Tetlock, 1983, 1984).

    Perhaps my friend is higher in cognitive simplicity. He tends to be fairly black and white about things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FrisbeeLad View Post
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    On a sidenote: I've seen MANY instances of grandparent-grandchild same-types.
    Yeah. Maybe it's like those diseases that skip a generation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FrisbeeLad View Post
    With a single child having the same type as a parent...there's a 1/15 (6.67%) chance I think (assuming two parents aren't of the same type...how often does THAT occur?!!)? I'm not great at statistics and probabilities.
    it's actually 2/16 (if the parents are different types). it would be 1/16 if the parents were the same type.

    and the chance of 3 INTJs is 1/(16^3) = 1/4096. but since you all would've been equally amazed by 3 of any one type, the more useful calculation would be this:
    16/16 (the parent's type) * 1/16 (kid same as parent) * 1/16 (2nd kid same as parent) = 1/256

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    Mom - ESFJ
    Dad - ISTP
    Brother #1 - ISTJ
    Brother #2 - ESTP
    Me - INFJ
    Brother #3 - ESFP

    Yes... I'm stuck in a family full of Sensors... >_<
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    Quote Originally Posted by wedekit View Post
    Mom - ESFJ
    Dad - ISTP
    Brother #1 - ISTJ
    Brother #2 - ESTP
    Me - INFJ
    Brother #3 - ESFP

    Yes... I'm stuck in a family full of Sensors... >_<
    Just like my father when he was growing up - an INFJ surrounded by sensors. Probably why he felt like the broken- headed kid in the group.

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