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    Quote Originally Posted by Satine View Post
    Read again...I said that Ti confounds me
    Same thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by proteanmix View Post
    I am totally OK with this, but it takes 300+ posts of confusion to even reach this conclusion.
    Has a conclusion been reached?

    Quote Originally Posted by proteanmix View Post
    Instead of saying Fi=authentic, Fe=fake, ask how does Fe/Fi manifest it's authenticity?

    Instead of saying Fi=trust/Fe=distrust, ask how does it manifest itself these functions?

    Instead of saying Fi=empathetic (this one boils my blood!), ask how would it manifest through these functions?

    You get the picture. That way, you can accommodate and stretch stretch it further, without putting them at loggerheads and like the freaking Montagues and Capulets. Tupac vs. Biggie. People end up dead like that.
    Well, to be honest, I don't buy the trust/distrust dichotomy, and I'm not sure whether I'd buy the empathetic one (what is this? Fe=sympathy, Fi=empathy? ), but I do believe the authentic/inauthentic one, at least based on a certain understanding of authenticity (which, admittedly, could very much just end up being tautological/circular).

    Nevertheless, what if there are indeed real dichotomies like these, and, by preventing ourselves from engaging in this type of discussion a priori, we would be preventing ourselves from discovering them at all?

    I'd prefer for false dichotomies to be put up, in order to be shot down, then for no dichotomies at all to be put up under the highly questionable assumption that no such dichotomies exist.

    But hell, that's just my two cents...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    Same thing.
    con·found (kn-found, kn-)
    tr.v. con·found·ed, con·found·ing, con·founds
    1. To cause to become confused or perplexed


    ....how so?
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    Oh nevermind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by proteanmix View Post
    Instead of saying Fi=empathetic (this one boils my blood!)
    Building Blocks of Personality Type: Jung's Mental Processes, Page 101:

    Unique Strengths of Fe:

    EMPATHY

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    Oh nevermind.
    ...was it meant as a joke?

    Coz how you got 'hate' from 'confounded' is a mystery to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Satine View Post
    Coz how you got 'hate' from 'confounded' is a mystery to me.
    Probably the same way you got "hate" from "pisses off"...

    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    I thought just you said Ti pisses you off, and yet here you are.


    In Peguy's defense (am I the only native English speaker among the three of us?): confound does generally have a sense of getting "upset" or "pissed off" over the confusion...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaguar View Post
    Building Blocks of Personality Type: Jung's Mental Processes, Page 101:

    Unique Strengths of Fe:

    EMPATHY

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    This isn't a race; I'm not claiming Fe is more empathetic either.

    Above anything else, I believe empathy is a learned skill.
    Relationships have normal ebbs and flows. They do not automatically get better and better when the participants learn more and more about each other. Instead, the participants have to work through the tensions of the relationship (the dialectic) while they learn and group themselves and a parties in a relationships. At times the relationships is very open and sharing. Other time, one or both parties to the relationship need their space, or have other concerns, and the relationship is less open. The theory posits that these cycles occur throughout the life of the relationship as the persons try to balance their needs for privacy and open relationship.
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    Quote Originally Posted by proteanmix View Post
    This isn't a race; I'm not claiming Fe is more empathetic either.

    Above anything else, I believe empathy is a learned skill.
    But couldn't you just turn around and say that the skill one is learning is to use a function associated with empathy (Fe, Fi: take your choice)?

    See: all of this talk is so groundless... which is why I don't really see why people are in favor of restricting certain types of discussion over others (assuming, of course, they're all aimed at revealing some sort of truth)...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    Probably the same way you got "hate" from "pisses off"...





    In Peguy's defense (am I the only native English speaker of us 3?): confound does generally have a sense of getting "upset" or "pissed off" over the confusion...
    I'll admit to not being a native speaker, but on the definition I looked up, the *first* meaning was 'to be confused'. Also, if you check back a post (or perhaps two), you'll find that he asked me why I hated Fe
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