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    Coz I don't understand it...care to explain it to me?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    I agree with most of what you said, Protean, but I still think one needs to have these discussions to figure out how far the functions really do stretch...

    I mean, isn't that largely the point of this forum? Discovery via discussion?
    I am totally OK with this, but it takes 300+ posts of confusion to even reach this conclusion.

    Instead of saying Fi=authentic, Fe=fake, ask how does Fe/Fi manifest its authenticity?

    Instead of saying Fi=trust/Fe=distrust, ask how does it manifest itself these functions?

    Instead of saying Fi=empathetic (this one boils my blood!), ask how would it manifest through these functions?

    You get the picture. That way, you can accommodate and stretch stretch it further, without putting them at loggerheads and like the freaking Montagues and Capulets. Tupac vs. Biggie. People end up dead like that.

    Or huffing off in a tantrum. <------THAT IS A JOKE
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    Quote Originally Posted by Satine View Post
    Coz I don't understand it...care to explain it to me?
    You seek to connect with others pretty much, what's so hard to understand about that?

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    Fi does the same. I seek the difference between the two...the exact difference
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    The thing is that there isn't an exact difference. There is so much overlap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pitseleh View Post
    The thing is that there isn't an exact difference.
    And that's what makes this so hard, hence the frustration, as the difference is in the little things..where you'd least expect it and in the most annoying nooks and crannies.

    So...shall we try this thread again? Once more, from the top?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Satine View Post
    Fi does the same. I seek the difference between the two...the exact difference
    I thought just you said Ti pisses you off, and yet here you are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    I thought just you said Ti pisses you off, and yet here you are.
    Read again...I said that Ti confounds me, so I wanted to start a drama-fest on that topic
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    Quote Originally Posted by proteanmix View Post
    Do you see how it's already starting off on the wrong foot? There is no neutrality in descriptions. It's the same thing when people say "Fi is authentic." You're automatically setting up an oppositional force. If one thing is real then the other is fake. If one is, the other isn't. Do I believe that is the case? No, I don't. But many people do. And because it's hard to break out of either/or thinking. I fall into it too...I'm not absolving myself.
    I think the same thing happens in both types of threads of this ilk. We have threads where "Fi is selfish", "Fi is pretentious", "Fi is whiny-emo".

    Oppositional force, as you say. We both have feelings about that.

    I asked people to splice the Fe and Fi out of the mission statement I posted earlier. No one has tried. In my very first post in this thread I asked these questions. I said this before all the drama and no one responded to it.
    My response was:

    Quote Originally Posted by PeaceBaby View Post
    Yes, but bear in mind too: My Fi "rules" could quite closely match any Fe ones ... there's quite a lot of natural overlap, commonality, between the two functions.

    (Which protean aptly pointed out by posting the mission statement earlier in thread.)
    Meaning, to pull functions out of that would be a true challenge. I don't think it's possible. The expression of Fi values could look exactly the same as any Fe values.

    I think the problem you're running into is you're trying to break processes down into places they can't go. They're inadequate to cover this. They don't stretch that far. It's not being resistant to categorizing functions, it's about understanding they have reached the end of their rope and outlived their usefulness. It's like a woman trying to put her ass into jeans that will not fit. Give it up, it's not happening! Once things are this granular (trust, love, intimacy, feeling understood, etc.) the distinctions are lost.
    I think it's fair to say many of the posters in thread agree with this. People are just stretching it to see how far it can go.

    I mean, we still try to put on those jeans, right?
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    Satine: I am bit hesitant to. I would be a masochist to accept. Get domino as fresh meat.

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