so i was just brainstorming a little... this could all be wrong, strong Fe users let me know...
first of all thanks for the reply to what i posted, it's great for us both to be chill about this! i see what you mean about posting what you did find interesting - that it didn't get commented on much. that's pretty Ni, lol. looking at the box from outside the box. it's cool. and your point about INTJs tending not to respond to NFJ as much is interesting too. i actually feel "on the same page" as INTJ posts frequently, which has been a surprise to me (no offense to INTJs obviously, we just only share 1 letter) but i have strong tert Te and if an INTJ has strong tert Fi then we share two of our top 3 functions, which is interesting. types that "look" totally different can be more similar cognitively than types that "look" the same (aka share more letters) in some ways.Originally Posted by cascadeco
anyway, about Fe = group and Fi = individual, i don't really think of it like that either... the way i had understood it was more that:
Fe is better attuned to interpersonal relations
- i picture Fe as tending to the outer threads that connect people. awareness of person-to-person dynamics, generally better in groups because is externally oriented, more aware of status and roles within relationships, more attuned to maintaining bonds, better awareness of graduated trust levels, in tune to how to form and preserve a relationship with another person and how people interact with other people both 1-on-1 and in larger systems. works outside -> in to connect with a person.
Fi is better attuned to intrapersonal relations
- i picture Fi as tending to the inner threads that make up what people are. awareness of inner belief and feeling, best usage in groups is on a unifying/inspiring level, more aware of subjective values and how they affect a person, more attuned to connection based on ideals, baseline open trust based on focus on intention, in tune with how to build a person up inside and in finding inner commonalities between people. works inside -> out to connect with a person.
so both work well 1-on-1, but Fe also has more of a group gift because it can deal better with multiple bonds at once (plus Ni gives a good sense of predicting patterns... so FeNi should theoretically be awesome at analyzing people systems.) anyway, Xe swims across the pool while Xi is diving... Fe dom/auxs obviously can delve very deep too, but they generally don't prefer to start deep, which means they are more skilled at dealing with many individuals at once -- just like Ne dom/aux has a preference for attending to many (possibly contradictory) ideas at once. Fe has a more decorous way of approaching an individual whereas Fi delves deep right away, and then seeks to move from inward understanding to forming an outward bond. ooh, that makes sense. Fe moves towards Fi and Fi moves towards Fe. because optimally we use both to the fullest extent, but one is our preference and we tend to use it more/first.
disclaimer -- just to emphasize, i understand these as generalizations. i would like to get some Fe and Fi differences mapped out though because otherwise the terms "Fe" and "Fi" have no meaning or purpose, and i'd like to better understand both functions. and we all use both Fe and Fi, so we will all demonstrate aspects of both, and they may manifest differently as colored by our other functions.
to loop back to the point of the thread (lol!) a world without Fe as i've framed it here would lack tending to interpersonal connections. it would be difficult for large groups to organize, which has the interesting effect of both making peace and extended harmony impossible and making large-scale organized war less likely. more like we'd just have groups running around and burning down one another's villages when they periodically got pissed off at one another. without Fe, we wouldn't have any lasting, cohesive institutions like universities. :sad: it'd be hard to make any forward progress, as we'd be caught up in personal squabbles all the time, and we wouldn't have lasting friendships or relationships, either.
curiously -- i went to a small liberal arts university (possibly my favorite place in the world, but i'll try to assess it neutrally, lol) and it occurs to me now that the student population, in general, seemed to be lacking in Fe strengths. students there are very loyal to their departments but not as much to the institution as a whole, and overall unity/spirit is lacking - which i found really unfortunate. it is strong in Fi strengths, though - very attuned to values and self-development, and multitudes of small groups dedicated to causes.