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    Senior Member Tiltyred's Avatar
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    I don't see it as illogical. I see it as unenlightened and unsympathetic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiltyred View Post
    For some reason it's like a rock on my heart to read what people are saying about Proteanmix's reaction. I see Proteanmix as agitated and upset -- if it kept up like that much longer, maybe there would be tears -- but just because somebody doesn't act sad/cry/retreat does not mean they're not hurt. Hurt can display as angry or exasperated, especially when it's coming from hearing the same old thing again for the nth time, which the Fi v Fe is. It sucks to be misunderstood and devalued.
    Agreed. As my grandmother taught me, just because someone (or even any creature, like a crab or a fly) doesn't cry, doesn't mean they don't hurt.

    Here's a comic for all those who feel misunderstood, whatever Jungian functions or types with which one might identify:


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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiltyred View Post
    I don't see it as illogical. I see it as unenlightened and unsympathetic.
    it is so fucking hard not to take this comment personally.

    but yeah, okay. i agree. the rest of my points still stand, though, too.

    good cartoon uumlau

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    Yes, and not just "invisible" but seemingly unique from person to person (whereas Fe by nature seems to be more community-generated and thus explicit and uniform). So just because I see into one set of Fi rules doesn't mean it'll apply to the next person with their own internal moral sense. Each person has to be explored individually.
    That's WHY I get so irritated with all these "What is Fi?" threads because it usually JUST told by the OP's singular perspective when it's in reality different from individual to individual. It's like ONLY a few people try to explain what when it's really just limited to their perspective on it. I understand the basics of how my closest friends and family use Fi. I don't need strangers from a website to TELL ME how my closest family and friends use Fi when Fi is typically individually-based. Seriously what more do we need to know about Fi if it can be drastically different from person to person. I just find it quite presumptuous for other Fi users to talk for Fi users as a whole if it is so individually based. It's just so ironic.

    EDIT: This is what I have noticed since I have started on this forum almost two years ago.

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    The values are different, but the mechanics are *not*. And there are typical Fi-values as well that are often shared by most of em. (aka the not harming others-one and the freedom for everyone-one)

    The reason it's being explained, at least in my case is coz it gets tiresome to not be understood and constnatly have to appologize for who you are and how you see things. Especially as Fi tends to long to be understood.
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    If we're gonna fight and hurt each other's feelings, it should be about something better than this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Satine View Post
    The values are different, but the mechanics are *not*. And there are typical Fi-values as well that are often shared by most of em. (aka the not harming others-one and the freedom for everyone-one)

    The reason it's being explained, at least in my case is coz it gets tiresome to not be understood and constnatly have to appologize for who you are and how you see things. Especially as Fi tends to long to be understood.
    Seriously??? That really sucks. I am sorry to hear that. I would like to think I have a good basic understanding because I have been around so many Fi users. If that is what is really going on here, I wish that we could be understanding of each other.

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    *smiles* That's very much appreciated

    I was more talking in general, also irl. Part of why you find so much Fi-talk here is coz..well frankly, I for one tend to be labelled weird at best...difficult and unethical at worst becoz I see and do things differently than most people out there. And that's partly due to Fi. Ironically, Fi tends to be about the search for who you are and you do that by analyzing yourself...put those things together, add a pinch of frustration and a place where you find others who can relate and voila..an internet forum where you can finally discover who you are and how others experience this. And next on the agenda: figuring out how to bridge the gap between you and those that you have difficulty communicating with


    And here we all are.
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    I have gotten my share of "you're weird", "you're being rude", you're going down the wrong road" by other Fe users. It feels like crap but I will tell you those are just the poohead Fe users that you shouldn't give the the time of day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiltyred View Post
    For some reason it's like a rock on my heart to read what people are saying about Proteanmix's reaction. I see Proteanmix as agitated and upset -- if it kept up like that much longer, maybe there would be tears -- but just because somebody doesn't act sad/cry/retreat does not mean they're not hurt. Hurt can display as angry or exasperated, especially when it's coming from hearing the same old thing again for the nth time, which the Fi v Fe is. It sucks to be misunderstood and devalued.
    Now there is an insightful comment.

    Where do people get the idea that unless Protean displays histrionic behavior, that she's not hurting? Because she comes across as a strong woman, she needs no support? Did it ever occur to anyone that Protean has probably been giving of herself so much her entire life, that she might not know how to ask for help or support to begin with? Ah, yes. Those who appear strongest need no help, no support, no friends.

    Think again.

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