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    Has anyone read this? It's by David Keirsey, and I'm well into the chapter about Artisans (SPs). I didn't actually realise that there was that much different between MBTT and KTT, but apparently there is. For example, Keirsey looks at observable behaviour, while Myers is more concerned with cognitive processes. In that respect, MBTT is closer to Jung. But perhaps this idea would mean that you could be of a different temperament to your type in MBTT. I dunno though.

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    I haven't read it, but I've seen other people mention it in this forum, so I'm sure you'll get a few responses eventually.

    I have the first book, Please Understand Me. Ironically, I found it too hard to understand.:-)
    I finally got more out of it once I understood the basics better.

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    I own it and read through all of the NF, half of the NT and some of the SP, sections.

    It makes me feel warm inside.

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    I own it and have read all of it.

    I honestly don't like Keirsey that much.
    I find much of his system unnecessary, sometimes awkward, and I'm bothered by how fundamentally intwined he has become with all things MBTI.
    Still, the book is good for some things.
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    I've read through it, it is interesting to read, but a lot of the descriptions of how types supposedly behave fit too closely to a pattern to really seem real or useful.

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    My sister has this book. We've both read it, almost entirely. Since I know people from every group, I find it handy to have read it all, as far demystification goes. However, I do take issues with some pretty glaring weak points, mostly Keirsey's bias for/against certain types that comes through into his theories.

    It's not a fatal flaw though, as complex and generally helpful as the MBTI is.
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    I liked it. I especially like the little charts about values, present/past/future, blah blah blah. Kiersey's a good people-watcher. I think KTT and MBTI are limited in their ability to dissect personality and dangerous, but it's interesting.


    Edit: I also liked the all the whale pictures.

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    I'm half way through the chapter on Guardians now, and I'm beginning to think I am not an ESTJ, nor is there any possibility of my being one. Just because my mornings are routinised and I hold certain values doesn't make me an ESTJ.

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    it's my favorite type book but i could be biased as an NT (Keirsey is an NT too).
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    It was my first book that I bought on type, over seven years ago. I think it's very necessary to read the comparable information. Then it may become quite understanding as to why SPs are far different than SJs and have more in common with NTs, in particularly along the lines of utilitarian usage. However I do find the book limiting unless you combine temperament with MBTI. Otherwise, attempting to see them as two separate systems can make typing oneself arduous. Linda V. Berens and Dario Nardi seems to have accomplished this quite well.

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