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    Quote Originally Posted by Vamp View Post
    Outside of psychology and in the realm of health/fitness/kinetics/stuff to do with the body and making it run smoothly there have been. Whole tenants of Ayurvedic medicine are based on body type/personality type relations.
    oh yes i actually do like ayurveda a lot
    it's still a little mystical for my T side to handle (i grew up in a hospital, it's super ingrained, haha) but i like the idea of using metabolism. that's like the z factor that plays in between mind and body. plus i kind of like mystical stuff too lol

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    Victor:

    Did you read what I said about Jung? I'm not a fan of Jung.

    If it weren’t for CPS (Consulting Psychologists Press) Jung would have faded out of public
    awareness. CPS holds the publishing rights for the MBTI. Although 2 million people take it
    each year and there are dozens of discussion boards with endless conversations about the
    subtleties of the various types there is no way of being sure that these types are real. People
    retake the test and get different results. A large number of dedicated Jungian therapists don’t
    find it useful in their practice and there are quite a few therapists that have offered alternative
    theories that eliminate the problems of the dichotomous structure of Jung’s type theory. It is hard
    to know which function is even taking the test.

    W.H. Sheldon, knew Jung from when he worked at his institute in Switzerland. Sheldon
    determined that Jung’s somatotype was 4,6,3 . That would make him 4 endomorphy, 6
    mesomorphy, 2½ ectomorphy and 5 equimorphy (balance). Translated into a body-type he was
    extremely muscular - actually athletic. Combined with 4 in the visceral (gut) component he
    would have made a decent NFL line man. His ectomorphy (nervous system) was below average
    for most men. In fact his low ectomorphy suggests that his inferior function would be - thinking.
    So basically his organismic systems would rank as follows:

    Muscular- (Sensation type) 6
    Orientaional -(Intuitive) 5
    Visceral - (Feeling) 4
    Nervous - (Thinking) 2½

    Muscular in the first position suggest a desire for raw power and control. Orientational system in
    the second position means a person is “searching-scanning” for the means to control. So this is a
    person who wants to develop a system for dominating. Nervous being last means he avoids
    restriction and boundary.

    He was an extreme extravert that was interested in dominance and control of everything in his
    environment including people.

    Isn't ironic that Jung's personality as indicated by his somatotype is close to the assessment you would make.

    As far as touching a nerve. It's my sensitive bs detector. I don't care if the bearer of truth is the devil himself. I am interested in truth. And criticizing a methodology because it is used for evil (Nazi use of anthropometry) is not the measure of a technology. Nazi's used every conceivable technology available to them to do what they wanted to do. A method is neutral.

    FDG

    A 2,4,4 male is around 68.4 inches tall
    Weight pattern: 129 age 20 135 age 30 141 age 40 142 age 50

    This type is considered a hard gainer in body building circles

    Simple temperament description of 2,4,4 Works for Change. Avoids compromise, intimacy and surrender.

    Andy:

    About Winston Churchill. He definitely wasn't an ectomorph. His endomorphy was clearly evident in his pot belly and heavy jowls. He was 66.5 inches tall.
    I would guess his somatotype at 6, 2.5, 2 That would make him close to the area of an INFJ

    Red Herring:

    Re: Wikipedia "The majority of scientists today generally consider such theories outdated.[citation needed]

    The usual way a theory is outdated is when an attempt to replicate research repeatedly fails. No one has tried to replicate Sheldon's original research where he found .8 correlation between somatotype and a temperament scale he originated.

    However, others have somatotyped populations and administered personality tests where the correlations were significant although low (.3 to .6).

    The main reason others didn't try to replicate his research is because of Sheldon's use of nude photographs to determine somatotype.

    Even though nude photographs are no longer needed to determine somatotype very few people know that and graduate students tend to avoid tainted areas of research for fear it will affect their career.

    Cascadeco:

    Guessing you are about 65 inches tall and under 120. You look to be average endomorphy 4. About 2 mesomorphy. 4.5 ectomorphy

    Although you could easily be INFJ you might find some of the INFP applies also.

    Would need to know Height and weight for sure at age 20 and then 30

    INA: Half endo and half ecto would mean a tall person who can fatten up somewhat and also is under a 3 in Mesomorphy.

    Babylon Candle:

    A 5 in mesomorphy is quite athletic. If you aren't real athletic you are probably a 4 in mesomorphy.
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    “Sheldon considers human beings as they really are - psycho-physical wholes.”

    “the first serious advance of the science of man since Aristotle”

    “For the first time the old insights and intuitions about the different kinds of human beings have been clarified and put on a firmly objective and measurable basis.”
    ___“Aldous Huxley/ A Biography” Sybille Bedford, 1974

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    I'm pretty sure I'm a mesomorph, with some mild endomorphic traits maybe? But I've always had muscular legs, my shoulders are a bit broad for a female, and I'm not pear shaped. I'm, um, chesty. When I gain weight, I'm more of the upside-down triangle or an apple.

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    Your Local Jesus:

    Probably around 6 endo 4.5 meso 3 ecto

    INTJ is the right area. You may also have some INFJ aspects to your personality.
    “Sheldon considers human beings as they really are - psycho-physical wholes.”

    “the first serious advance of the science of man since Aristotle”

    “For the first time the old insights and intuitions about the different kinds of human beings have been clarified and put on a firmly objective and measurable basis.”
    ___“Aldous Huxley/ A Biography” Sybille Bedford, 1974

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    Sand Paper:

    You sound like an endomorphic ectomorph.

    Endo = 4.5 to 5.0
    Meso = 1.5 to 2.0
    Ecto = 5.5 to 6.0

    If you weigh in the 120's (pounds) you are about 1.5 meso
    If you weigh in the 130's you are about 2.0 meso

    Your temperament is probably at the outer reaches of INFP and approaching an ISFP.
    “Sheldon considers human beings as they really are - psycho-physical wholes.”

    “the first serious advance of the science of man since Aristotle”

    “For the first time the old insights and intuitions about the different kinds of human beings have been clarified and put on a firmly objective and measurable basis.”
    ___“Aldous Huxley/ A Biography” Sybille Bedford, 1974

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    Quinlan: Need a little more info.

    Are you M or F. What's your height and weight at 20,30
    “Sheldon considers human beings as they really are - psycho-physical wholes.”

    “the first serious advance of the science of man since Aristotle”

    “For the first time the old insights and intuitions about the different kinds of human beings have been clarified and put on a firmly objective and measurable basis.”
    ___“Aldous Huxley/ A Biography” Sybille Bedford, 1974

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    I notice that being a mesomorph with a leaning toward endomorph would make me more of an ESFP or ENFJ, which are strangely enough two types I've considered other than ENFP. I've also had ENFJ come up as the type of my facial structure.

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    I'll play.

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    6'4 (76 inches)
    204 pounds
    18

    Obviously tall, long arms with shorter legs, broad shoulders.

    Edit: It'd be helpful if we could derive these numbers ourselves without looking at comparison pictures. It's more fun that way ^^
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    Quote Originally Posted by Psychdigg View Post
    Andy:

    About Winston Churchill. He definitely wasn't an ectomorph. His endomorphy was clearly evident in his pot belly and heavy jowls. He was 66.5 inches tall.
    I would guess his somatotype at 6, 2.5, 2 That would make him close to the area of an INFJ
    Yeah, sorry, that was what I ment. I got the words mixed up, as I often do. Either way, though, he behaved like a mesomorph.
    Don't make whine out of sour grapes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marmalade.sunrise View Post
    I notice that being a mesomorph with a leaning toward endomorph would make me more of an ESFP or ENFJ, which are strangely enough two types I've considered other than ENFP. I've also had ENFJ come up as the type of my facial structure.
    Ehm. Based on your bottom-pics, I would exclude that you're an endomorph?
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