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    Haphazzard:

    Hopefully you DON'T keep getting sick. Growing up means trying on a lot of different bodies. We go from 18 inches and 8 pounds at birth all the way up to what we are finally going to have to accept. At 18 years you haven't had that body very long and there's nothing wrong with trying different personas. At some point the role playing ends and real life takes over. Personality tests are woefully unreliable. However the personality sketches that accompany the tests are useful in learning about the varieties of personality. It's a long journey so you have to keep searching and comparing until you find the right fit. Nobody can do that for you. Even if my system works and can be proven scientifically accurate - it won't do you any good if you don't understand it.
    I'm not looking for people with a "will to believe" but for those with a "will to find out".
    “Sheldon considers human beings as they really are - psycho-physical wholes.”

    “the first serious advance of the science of man since Aristotle”

    “For the first time the old insights and intuitions about the different kinds of human beings have been clarified and put on a firmly objective and measurable basis.”
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    The average obese looking person is going to be at least a 5 endomorph.

    Marlon Brando is an interesting example.

    Marlon Brando 5½, 4,2½,(5½) Height 69.0 inches

    Trunk Index: 1.30

    Weight Pattern: 177,200,217,229

    Myers Briggs Type: INFJ

    I got the somatotype of Brando off of his younger movies. His roles called for a tough looking rugged individual that could punch anyone out that wanted to confront him.

    But he was just the average male mesomorph. You would never have guessed that he would get as fat as he eventually did. But, unchecked endomorphy can overwhelm a person. But endomorphy needs to be at least 5 to do its work.

    If you don't believe he was an INFJ read his biography. Very active and concerned about politics and civil rights.
    “Sheldon considers human beings as they really are - psycho-physical wholes.”

    “the first serious advance of the science of man since Aristotle”

    “For the first time the old insights and intuitions about the different kinds of human beings have been clarified and put on a firmly objective and measurable basis.”
    ___“Aldous Huxley/ A Biography” Sybille Bedford, 1974

  3. #193

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    Angel M

    Accuracy suffers without a proper photograph. But you are quite ectomorphic.

    Endo 2.0 Meso 2.5 Ecto 5.5

    INTJ area
    Last edited by Psychdigg; 07-29-2010 at 06:34 PM. Reason: listed endo twice- should have been Ecto 5.5
    “Sheldon considers human beings as they really are - psycho-physical wholes.”

    “the first serious advance of the science of man since Aristotle”

    “For the first time the old insights and intuitions about the different kinds of human beings have been clarified and put on a firmly objective and measurable basis.”
    ___“Aldous Huxley/ A Biography” Sybille Bedford, 1974

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psychdigg View Post
    Haphazzard:

    Hopefully you DON'T keep getting sick. Growing up means trying on a lot of different bodies. We go from 18 inches and 8 pounds at birth all the way up to what we are finally going to have to accept. At 18 years you haven't had that body very long and there's nothing wrong with trying different personas. At some point the role playing ends and real life takes over. Personality tests are woefully unreliable. However the personality sketches that accompany the tests are useful in learning about the varieties of personality. It's a long journey so you have to keep searching and comparing until you find the right fit. Nobody can do that for you. Even if my system works and can be proven scientifically accurate - it won't do you any good if you don't understand it.
    I'm not looking for people with a "will to believe" but for those with a "will to find out".
    But if we look at this, the only way I've gained weight was through hormonal treatments, which we all know fuck up the body quite good. I've lost weight many times because of illness and never gained it back. Wouldn't this be a signal that I actually do NOT gain weight easily like an endomorph?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Psychdigg View Post
    Chloee: 5'6" inches is tall for a woman. That's about equal to 6 feet for a man. Because of sexual dimorphism men are about 4 or 5 inches taller than women. Ectomorphy is pretty much how tall a person is for what they have to carry in the way of fat and muscle. The reason I ask if you are active in sports is to see how much of your weight is an expression of mesomorphy. So you are both Endo and Ecto but you have enough meso to move you toward the middle. If you were less meso you would be more intp or possibly bumping up against the infp area. People have a real struggle visualizing in three dimensions. Mesomorphic/Ectomorphic men intuitively can figure out their body type because they are also good with visualizing objects in a space.
    I am not very active in sports. My body picks up muscules pretty easily without much sports.
    5'6''1/2 is in Croatia bellow average for woman, here the average is 5'7''5 for woman...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psychdigg View Post
    If you don't believe he was an INFJ read his biography. Very active and concerned about politics and civil rights.
    It's not a bad typing. He's complex..I've always thought he was something along those lines. An I and F at least. He actually hated the Stanley Kowalski role after awhile too.. he knew people saw him as a brute, but in real life.. he was a pretty socially conscious dude. If anyone hasn't watched the Dick Cavett interview, they should watch that in it's entirety. The guy was sharp.. almost offputting in how he didn't just socially "flow" though, and evaluated everything all the time (not the wider social commentary.. that's cool. I mean, how he'd evaulate people's behaviors right in front of him).

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    Chloee:

    Croatian men are also tall. Lot's of ectomorphic/mesomorphic basketball players. As I said you may be more mesomorphic than I estimated. Once again to really determine somatotype exactly you need to provide a picture like this:




    The band aids are for marking the bottom of the rib cage and the top of the pelvis. The band aid by the ribs should be placed so that the top edge marks the bottom of the rib cage. The band aid on the bottom should be placed so the bottom edge marks the top of the pelvis.
    “Sheldon considers human beings as they really are - psycho-physical wholes.”

    “the first serious advance of the science of man since Aristotle”

    “For the first time the old insights and intuitions about the different kinds of human beings have been clarified and put on a firmly objective and measurable basis.”
    ___“Aldous Huxley/ A Biography” Sybille Bedford, 1974

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    Haphazzard:

    I really don't know anything about your medical condition. Yes, hormonal treatments can alter weight patterns. It would be interesting to see what your structure will be in a couple years or however long it takes to stabilize. Just remember there is nothing wrong with being endomorphic. Endo's are what give society stability. They are reliable, caring, amiable, peace-loving people who quietly take care of human suffering and they actually like people and listen to them.

    I have a preliminary somatotype for Hitler. Endo 3.5 Meso 4.5 Ecto 3. That makes him an ENFJ. Leader types can go awfully wrong.
    “Sheldon considers human beings as they really are - psycho-physical wholes.”

    “the first serious advance of the science of man since Aristotle”

    “For the first time the old insights and intuitions about the different kinds of human beings have been clarified and put on a firmly objective and measurable basis.”
    ___“Aldous Huxley/ A Biography” Sybille Bedford, 1974

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psychdigg View Post
    Haphazzard:

    I really don't know anything about your medical condition. Yes, hormonal treatments can alter weight patterns. It would be interesting to see what your structure will be in a couple years or however long it takes to stabilize. Just remember there is nothing wrong with being endomorphic. Endo's are what give society stability. They are reliable, caring, amiable, peace-loving people who quietly take care of human suffering and they actually like people and listen to them.

    I have a preliminary somatotype for Hitler. Endo 3.5 Meso 4.5 Ecto 3. That makes him an ENFJ. Leader types can go awfully wrong.
    There's nothing wrong with those things, I'm just saying that I'm not any of them.
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    I want to deal with a criticism of somatotyping that keeps coming up in one form or another. It centers around the question: ....what happens if you
    diet? Does this mean malnourished people have the same
    personality?

    That is an obvious question. And it demonstrates the reason why
    good science must sometimes research the "obvious". The obvious in
    this case is not true. Sheldon was confronted with this most
    damaging criticism. This idea springs from a misunderstanding of
    what the somatotype is measuring. On one level Endomorphy is
    usually expressed in obesity. But one does not cease from being an
    endomorph just because they go on a starvation diet. A person
    doesn't become an ectomorph by losing weight. Instead an endomorph
    who loses weight becomes an emaciated endomorph.

    The objective measure that establishes endomorphy and mesomorphy is
    what is called the Trunk Index. This is Sheldon's explanation of
    the Trunk Index (TI):

    "This was simply the area of the thoracic
    trunk over the area of the abdominal trunk, measured with a
    planimeter on a standard somatotype photograph."
    How constant is the TI? Sheldon goes on to explain

    "At the University of California in 1929, a long term growth study and
    follow-up study of almost 1,000 children was initiated. The
    subjects were about equally divided between the two sexes. Nearly
    half of them were born during the year 1928-29. For approximately
    400 of this series, somatotype photographs were taken at least once
    a year until the subjects were fully grown. Many of them were
    followed through their twenties, and some through their thirties.
    The 400 who stayed with the California project until they were
    fully grown are being studied intensively in connection with our
    project on the development of the somatotype in children. For all
    of the 400 the trunk index remained constat from the first
    photograph to the last."

    "At the University of Minnesota during World War II, a "starvation
    experiment" was carried out on a group of 34 subjects. Under mild
    starvation conditions these men lost from 25% to 40% of their total
    weight. Somatotype photographs of them were taken before and after
    the weight loss. All of these photographs were somatotyped during
    1958 at the Texas Instrument Branch of the Constitution Laboratory,
    and at this time the trunk indices were calculated. The starvation
    changed none of the trunk indices (and, therefore, actually, none
    of the somatotypes.)

    Somatotype photographs were taken of the class entering the United
    States Military Academy at West Point in 1946, and again on
    graduation in 1950. These boys had the advantages of closely
    supervised body conditioning and muscle developing exercises for
    four years at West Point. Many of them changed remarkably in their
    general appearance of physical competence and in the surface
    manifestations of muscular definition. But for all of them the
    trunk index remained a constant.

    At Columbia University, somatotype photographs of the entering
    freshmen were taken regularly in the years between 1912 and 1917.
    In 1955 we photographed 208 of these Columbia graduates at the
    Constitution Laboratory in the Columbia Medical Center. None of
    the trunk indices had changed, although weight in a few instances
    had nearly doubled, and in a few other cases had decreased.

    In a series of 46 pairs of identical twins of both sexes studied at
    the Constitution Laboratory during the same period, the trunk
    indices were identical within each pair, although in a few cases
    there were dramatic nutritional differences.

    At this time we were running a follow-up study of 412 women and 22
    men who had been attending the Columbia Medical Center Nutrition
    Clinic for purposes of supervised weight reduction. Some of the
    women succeeded in shedding-very temporarily- as much as 150
    pounds. But the photographs at maximal and at minimal weight showed
    no detectable changes in trunk index. This remained constant
    despite nutritional changes."
    So, why do you still find textbooks that criticize this aspect of
    somatotyping? I think it was Sheldon's fault. He published this
    information in an obscure journal. At some point he arrogantly
    decided he had nothing to prove to anyone. Unfortunately, if an
    idea doesn't have an advocate it dies. That's my purpose. I intend
    to advocate this idea until it once again takes root.

    I haven't really won this point unless I can convince some people
    to be courageous/curious enough to discover their somatotype. You
    just can't imagine how powerful that little bit of information can
    be. You will never again need to take a personality test. In
    fact, once a person gets a good understanding of this theory they
    won't be able to take a personality test.
    “Sheldon considers human beings as they really are - psycho-physical wholes.”

    “the first serious advance of the science of man since Aristotle”

    “For the first time the old insights and intuitions about the different kinds of human beings have been clarified and put on a firmly objective and measurable basis.”
    ___“Aldous Huxley/ A Biography” Sybille Bedford, 1974

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