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    KDude:

    I am a little reluctant to make assessments with so little information. There are a couple types of bodies that are your height and weight. One is in the area of NBA basketball players. You ought to know if you are that athletic type or not. If you are then you definitely are not an ISFP.

    The other areas are in the endomorphic ectomorphic area. This means that you would primarily be ectomorphic with a slight leaning toward endomorphy.

    To be an ISFP at your height would mean your weight would tend to be 40 more pounds than you are right now.

    My best guess is that you are 4.0 endo 3.5 meso 6.0 ecto. That would put you in INTP territory.

    Kdude: Marlon Brando was:

    Endo 5.5 Meso 4 Ecto 2.5

    This would make him INFJ

    Lady X:

    The personality depends on the rank order of they systems.

    An ENFP is very close to the middle and is therefore orientational dominant. They want to orient themselves by understanding their relationship to everything else.

    Secondly ENFP is higher in endomorphy. Endomorphy in the second position stops the action which leads them to do nothing to bring about change.
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    Jokes aside, I may send you a pic, just out of curiosity. I've considered INTP/ENTP before tbh.

    On another note, what, in your opinion, are examples of INFP and INTP males? You don't have examples in the first post. You just have Alicia Keys there as an INFP.. she's not exactly endo is she? It just looks like she has female specific hips. You're saying that's an introverted-Fi thing? :confused:

    I've always liked sports, but never took it extremely seriously. I wouldn't say I'm naturally athletic per se. One thing I notice about true ectomorphs, who may not even exercise much, is that they're still a bit cut.. you might see more signs of a 6 pack or their pectoral definition easier. Me, I'm more like tall, thin, but not noticably defined (my body fat % may be about 12 right now, not sure).

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    "Nobody wants to take pictures of their body in a certain fashion, then send them to some guy over the internet so he can assess them according to a formulation of personality that doesn'tseem to really make a lot of sense anyway"

    I mean, I'm not accusing you of being a pervert or anything, and I think the end results of an experiment like that would be interesting, but there's a reason why you're not getting volunteers for this experiment. Aaand it's not because people are prejudiced or hate science.

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    Yeah, I'm wondering what you think of people with body dysmorphic disorders?
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    Mister Eyebrows:

    I'm realistic about this. I get quite a few people sending me pictures. And they are of all types. If I were interested in "sexy" pictures there is an endless supply of that. Do you know how boring it is to look at bodies for the purpose of somatotyping?

    Males are usually more open with showing their bodies than females. But suppose you are a female with a slamming body. You are probably using that body to get looks all the time.

    It's really interesting to somatotype movie stars. They live off of exposure. But that exposure let's me see the real person. And I finding it very amusing when I see the persona these public figures try to portray personally and through their publicists. And more amusing than anything are the feeble attempts to classify types through the filter of personal prejudice and preference. Johnny Depp is an INFP to INFP's. ESFP to ESFP's
    ESTJ to ESTJ's.

    This is an extremely powerful tool. Jury selection is one application where this could be used and abused. Type casting for movies and plays. Choice of political candidates by nominating committees. Selection of CEO's. Stacking corporate boards. Intelligence agencies.

    Unfortunately, this is the kind of information you can only obtain by exposing yourself but only about as much as you would on any public beach.
    “Sheldon considers human beings as they really are - psycho-physical wholes.”

    “the first serious advance of the science of man since Aristotle”

    “For the first time the old insights and intuitions about the different kinds of human beings have been clarified and put on a firmly objective and measurable basis.”
    ___“Aldous Huxley/ A Biography” Sybille Bedford, 1974

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    Haphazzard:

    This does create problems. You can be ecto from the waist up and endo from the waist down. There is also the issue of scoliosis because it can distort a person's true height. And there is gyandromorphy. All of these things can require adjustments to an assessment. But fortunately 99% of the people don't have those issues. Unfortunately, those who have those issues really have their plates full.
    “Sheldon considers human beings as they really are - psycho-physical wholes.”

    “the first serious advance of the science of man since Aristotle”

    “For the first time the old insights and intuitions about the different kinds of human beings have been clarified and put on a firmly objective and measurable basis.”
    ___“Aldous Huxley/ A Biography” Sybille Bedford, 1974

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    I did not mean that, I meant the psychological conditions in which people hate their bodies, or cannot feel connections with their bodies, are completely uncomfortable living within their bodies, etc. In this case, what is simply a 'facet of their personality' causes them unimaginable pain as they cannot integrate their bodies as parts of themselves.
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    Haphazzard:

    OK. I wasn't familiar with that term as applied to the condition you described.

    It appears to be related to OCD type problems.

    People can get into that state with just about anything. Knowing one's somatotype isn't a solution for that kind of problem. Unless they can get real philosophical and realize that whatever their appearance may be they can only do a finite number of things to change that. But people with these types of disorders know that they are being irrational and they maintain their inappropriate feelings out of habit.
    “Sheldon considers human beings as they really are - psycho-physical wholes.”

    “the first serious advance of the science of man since Aristotle”

    “For the first time the old insights and intuitions about the different kinds of human beings have been clarified and put on a firmly objective and measurable basis.”
    ___“Aldous Huxley/ A Biography” Sybille Bedford, 1974

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    Question Train Spotting or Eugenics

    Somatic typing could be as harmless as train spotting or as harmful as eugenics.

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    Kdude:

    Alicia Keys is 5 endo 2.5 meso and 4.5 ecto She is an ectomorphic endomorph and will get up to 150 pounds by the time she is 50.

    Endo-Ectos and Ecto-Endos seem to be the most dysplastic of the somatotypes. In other words they look like they were put together with spare parts. They tend to be very thin when they are young with little indication of what their bodies will look like in the future. It seems that the body puts a lot of its resources in achieving maximum height. Later after the body reaches its maximum height it starts packing on the fat which, depending on diet, could be an endless process leading toward obesity.

    Kdue:

    I looked at the pictures. Most likely you are about Endo 5 Meso 2.5 Ecto 6

    This would put you in the INTP area but close to the outer reaches of ISFP and also close to ISTP. Since personality in reality is on a continuous scale of variation you might consider yourself some of all three though mostly INTP.

    The problem with Jungian typology is clearly the dichotomous categories. You are either/or. On a test with just a few questions that have to go through your personal semantic filters you can slip into a type that is similar but not quite right. Written tests are based on how "ordinary" people perceive the meaning of a question. What is ordinary. What is ordinary even for the same person depending on how they feel or the current circumstances.

    This is why I prefer something objective like somatotype. Everyone can be somatotyped very accurately if they provide the correct information.

    There are cases where a person's temperament seems completely out of synchrony with their body type but knowing their personal history of trauma it appears quite maladaptive. In those cases there is some dissociative effects and somatotype can be therapeutic in anchoring one's natural personality.

    Kdude:

    I looked at your pictures and you seem to be Endo 5 Meso 2.5 and Ecto 6

    This would put you in the INTP area. However you are close to the outer reaches of ISFP. You are also quite close to ISTP. So you may be an INTP but can't rule out some influences from ISFP and ISTP.

    This brings to the fore the problem with the dichotomous nature of Jungian categories - everything is either/or. In a test that is supposed to rate you on each of the categories with only a few questions it is very easy to pop over to the opposite side. In reality all of the personalities involve continuous variation on the scales so that in rank order a person could be TFNS or SNFT for a total of 24 permutations. Graphs of each function follow the normal bell curve indicating that most people are not either/or but are in the middle.

    Once in a while a person's temperament may be extremely different from what their somatotype indicates. But when you know their personal history the maladaptive nature of their personality is obvious. These are cases where there may be MPD or dissociative tendencies. Somatotype can be therapeutic in these situations because it can provide an anchor for the person to sort out their natural identiy.
    “Sheldon considers human beings as they really are - psycho-physical wholes.”

    “the first serious advance of the science of man since Aristotle”

    “For the first time the old insights and intuitions about the different kinds of human beings have been clarified and put on a firmly objective and measurable basis.”
    ___“Aldous Huxley/ A Biography” Sybille Bedford, 1974

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