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    Vamp:

    everyone has the same length of intestine.
    Why would you say that when you absolutely can't prove it?

    Here is a quote from Sheldon's 1968 paper "Psychotic Patterns and Physical Constitution. A Thirty Year Follow-Up of Thirty-Eight Hundred Psychiatric Patients in New York State.

    "Later in medical school, my attention was called to the fact that a number of investigators - notably Bean, Bryant and Goldthwait - had reported that both intestinal mass and total length of the gut tended to VARY GREATLY in different people. Some persons, often called herbivorous types, had been found at autopsy to have a total gut length of forty feet or more; while others, called carnivorous types, measured around fifteen feet. I was permitted to test this observation by assisting as "measurer" at thirty autopsies. We had seventeen "herbivorous" and thirteen "carnivorous" cases. The mean total length for the former turned out to be 32 feet; for the latter, 19 feet. The longest gut was 43 feet; the shortest, 14 feet. Better than a three to one ratio. Again, something was there. This time something pleasingly substantial. Forty three feet of it. The constitution problem began to seem worth looking into."
    “Sheldon considers human beings as they really are - psycho-physical wholes.”

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    Marmalade Sunrise:

    Psychdigg is wrong. I read up about this on another site, and weight gain or loss does not indicate body type. Endos can be relatively slim, but have a hard time building muscle, and usually have to work harder to not gain weight.
    I am wrong because some other site say something different?

    Weight is an important factor in determining somatotype BUT - not by itself. Weight means different things. A six foot 6 inch man weighing 200 pounds means something entirely different than a man five feet 6 inches weighing 200 pounds.

    Mass alone doesn't tell you whether the weight is fat or muscle.

    When you somatotype a person all these factors are considered to arrive at a best fit.
    “Sheldon considers human beings as they really are - psycho-physical wholes.”

    “the first serious advance of the science of man since Aristotle”

    “For the first time the old insights and intuitions about the different kinds of human beings have been clarified and put on a firmly objective and measurable basis.”
    ___“Aldous Huxley/ A Biography” Sybille Bedford, 1974

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psychdigg View Post
    Marmalade Sunrise:



    I am wrong because some other site say something different?

    Weight is an important factor in determining somatotype BUT - not by itself. Weight means different things. A six foot 6 inch man weighing 200 pounds means something entirely different than a man five feet 6 inches weighing 200 pounds.

    Mass alone doesn't tell you whether the weight is fat or muscle.

    When you somatotype a person all these factors are considered to arrive at a best fit.

    Yeah, you aren't asking people body fat percentages, you're asking them for weight in pounds. I think that body fat percentage would be more important.

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    I thought Endomorphs actually gained muscle about as well as they gain fat? I think that makes sense, logically, since they have a heavier frame and as such, need more muscle to support it.Hence why somaotype centric information tells endomorphs to focus on losing weight rather than trying to bulk up.
    There are endomorphs with very small and weak bones and not much muscle. Sometimes they can't carry their weight and need motorized wheel chairs to get around.

    Most of the people that get on shows such as "Biggest Loser" are Mesomorphic Endomorphs. They have the ability to become really massive. They are also strong enough to endure the grueling work outs. Endomorphs that are low in mesomorphy have basically one option to lose significant weight - eat fewer simple carbs and eventually add moderate exercise when their bones and muscles can carry their weight better.
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    “Sheldon considers human beings as they really are - psycho-physical wholes.”

    “the first serious advance of the science of man since Aristotle”

    “For the first time the old insights and intuitions about the different kinds of human beings have been clarified and put on a firmly objective and measurable basis.”
    ___“Aldous Huxley/ A Biography” Sybille Bedford, 1974

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    Quote Originally Posted by marmalade.sunrise View Post
    ^^^

    there are also ectos who can consume huge amounts of food...like the skinny guy who wolfs down an entire pizza, and can eat McDonald's every day and still be skinny....
    That's me. I found out the hard way when I had to gain weight. I had some epic battles trying to eat enough to beat my metabolism. Staying away from fast and processed foods did make the weight gain easier, tho.

    People think I'm nuts when I say "McDonald's makes me skinny".
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    Marmalade:

    "you aren't asking people body fat percentages, you're asking them for weight in pounds. I think that body fat percentage would be more important."

    To accurately determine a somatotype I need the Trunk Index which can be obtained from a photograph taken according to certain specifications. Next I need to know height. Finally I need to know maximum weight at various ages.

    Without ALL of that information I can only make an educated guess about a person's true somatotype.

    However, there are some factors that improve the odds when making an educated guess. Knowing that a person's weight hasn't changed much as they got older is usually an indication of low endomorphy. Low weight for a given height can mean ectomorphy. Huge weight can mean high mesomorphy along with high endomorphy.

    A life of activity and participation in college level sports indicates higher than average mesomorphy.

    There are other cues. If all a person gives me is their weight it would be hard to make even an educated guess.

    So you may want to go over the cases I've discussed and you'll notice weight is not the only thing.
    “Sheldon considers human beings as they really are - psycho-physical wholes.”

    “the first serious advance of the science of man since Aristotle”

    “For the first time the old insights and intuitions about the different kinds of human beings have been clarified and put on a firmly objective and measurable basis.”
    ___“Aldous Huxley/ A Biography” Sybille Bedford, 1974

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    What bothers me about this topic is that no one really seems to want to know their real somatotype. I posted a photo of the type I need to determine somatotype. If you post photos like that I could figure out exactly what your somatotype is.

    Where are the scientists on this forum? You would all rather take a flawed paper and pencil test and delude yourself into thinking you are really the type it says you are. The test is right for some people. But less than 60% of the people who take the mbti more than a year later keep the same type classification. Almost all the Ixxx, IxFP, ESxx issues can be resolved if you know your somatotype. You don't have to believe it. You merely have to try it. And I am willing to do this free.

    Until Galileo started dropping rocks off the Tower of Pisa everyone believed that heavy objects fall faster than lighter objects. They believed that because it was so "obvious". Everyone knew that if an object weighed more it would fall faster. They were wrong.

    By dismissing the importance of somatotype you are missing out on one of the most important tools of self discovery.
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    “the first serious advance of the science of man since Aristotle”

    “For the first time the old insights and intuitions about the different kinds of human beings have been clarified and put on a firmly objective and measurable basis.”
    ___“Aldous Huxley/ A Biography” Sybille Bedford, 1974

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    I could just go and buy a hamburger in the time it'd take to do all the things in your test. If I'm lucky, it'll all go to my ass, and I can truly type myself ISFP. Yay self discovery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marmalade.sunrise View Post
    ^^^

    there are also ectos who can consume huge amounts of food...like the skinny guy who wolfs down an entire pizza, and can eat McDonald's every day and still be skinny....
    Are you sure that's not an issue of simply being unable to digest McDonald's?

    Body fat percentage is weird. I tried a calculator and I got two numbers that were 10% apart.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Haphazard View Post
    Are you sure that's not an issue of simply being unable to digest McDonald's?

    Body fat percentage is weird. I tried a calculator and I got two numbers that were 10% apart.
    That's common with calculators. None are exact. The way they work is that you take it once and keep taking it with that same calculator so you know your general progress. The best way is a pricey gym/lab thing. Or old fashioned calipers with a trainer/nutritionist/coach.
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