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    Quote Originally Posted by Morgan Le Fay View Post
    FYP. :P

    It was a close-run thing, but I reckon the French ENTP just won the fancy-schmancy snootiness contest.


    I'm wondering now though whether the whole purpose of this thread was to provoke the intps to argue about definitions of logical fallacies.

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    ^^^It's unfair really. You use those Latin terms way more than me ragashree, you just have high enough Fe to know that this is not the place to it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ragashree View Post


    I'm wondering now though whether the whole purpose of this thread was to provoke the intps to argue about definitions of logical fallacies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Litvyak View Post
    I've always associated this with INTs - especially INTPs - and can't help to find it meaningless and boring, the very least. Nitpicking kills creativity and constructivity. Debating with the risk of a possible logical fallacy is more worth it than tearing every syllable apart until the goal is lost. Eventually, it all comes down to a handful of nerds mental-masturbating in which nobody's interested in.

    You either get the "underlying foundation" or you don't get it. I honestly doubt that such mind games ever get you closer to what you're trying to find out. Well, not with an average mind - I'm not talking about your typical Ti-dom genius.
    Perhaps Im speaking as a fellow Ni-dom, but I agree with this quite a bit. I honestly don't see much point in stressing the discussion over the actual content, as Jennifer stated. For me, no content = no discussion. With my tertiary Ti, I do enjoy discussions that involve analyzing concepts and such; but too much nitpicking can literally give me a headache. I often like to reference to Buber's distinction between dialectial and dialogical forms of thinking. Like Buber and many other Ni-doms, I tend to prefer the latter kind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Helios View Post
    The straw man fallacy is not a formal fallacy, but an informal one.

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    informal then

    I noticed you're steamrolling past my point
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    As a fellow Ni-dom, I fully agree with this. I honestly don't see much point in stressing the discussion over the actual content, as Jennifer stated. For me, no content = no discussion. With my tertiary Ti, I do enjoy discussions that involve analyzing concepts and such; but too much nitpicking can literally give me a headache. I often like to reference to Buber's distinction between dialectial and dialogical forms of thinking. Like Buber and many other Ni-doms, I tend to prefer the latter kind.
    I'd have to agree that I as an INTP much prefer the first. The biggest problem I have with the dialogical is that something must dictate when each is better. Once that is known they can be effectively combined.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueGray View Post
    I'd have to agree that I as an INTP much prefer the first. The biggest problem I have with the dialogical is that something must dictate when each is better. Once that is known they can be effectively combined.
    Are you going by Hegelian dialectics here(thesis, antithesis, snythesis)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    Are you going by Hegelian dialectics here(thesis, antithesis, snythesis)?
    I haven't looked into it before so I'm working off surface definitions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    Perhaps Im speaking as a fellow Ni-dom, but I agree with this quite a bit. I honestly don't see much point in stressing the discussion over the actual content, as Jennifer stated. For me, no content = no discussion. With my tertiary Ti, I do enjoy discussions that involve analyzing concepts and such; but too much nitpicking can literally give me a headache. I often like to reference to Buber's distinction between dialectial and dialogical forms of thinking. Like Buber and many other Ni-doms, I tend to prefer the latter kind.
    I don't see why a dialectical approach infers no interest in content. Can you talk more about this? Also, I'd be interested in reading the Ni vs Ti stuff you edited out of your post.

    I think dialectical thinking is reflexive for Ti-doms, it's just the process we automatically go through to make sense of anything. It's often misunderstood as nit-picking/argument for argument's sake by other (inferior) types.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Morgan Le Fay View Post
    FYP. :P

    It was a close-run thing, but I reckon the French ENTP just won the fancy-schmancy snootiness contest.
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