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Catch-22

Poki

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so this goes back to the question of "is the whole a thing unto itself or a composite of it's parts?" :huh:

So how do we figure out if we have a part or a whole? :D We know not what we cannot see.
 

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This is interesting, however it seems like you forgot than

0 = ( ... ((192000 * (1+6.75/100/12)-x) * (1+6.75/100/12)-x) ... )
(expanding the products)
= 192000*(1+6.75/100/12)^(28*12) - (1+6.75/100/12)^(28*12-1)*x - (1+6.75/100/12)^(28*12-2)*x - ... - x
(simplifying with the Geometric Series formula)
= 192000*(1+6.75/100/12)^(28*12) - [(1+6.75/100/12)^(28*12)-1] / [(1+6.75/100/12)-1] * x
so
x = 192000 * (6.75/100/12) / [1-(1+6.75/100/12)^(-28*12)] = 1273.40
The total amount payed over the life of the loan is:
1273.40 * 12 * 28 = 427860.94

and
0 = (...((199000 * (1+2/100/12)-x) * (1+2/100/12)-x) * ... * (1+4.875/100/12)-x)
= 192000 * (1+2/100/12)^(12*5) * (1+3/100/12)^(12) * (1+4/100/12)^(12) * (1+4.875/100/12)^(12*23)
- x * [(1+2/100/12)^(12*5-1) * (1+3/100/12)^(12) * (1+4/100/12)^(12) * (1+4.875/100/12)^(12*23)
+ (1+2/100/12)^(12*5-2) * (1+3/100/12)^(12) * (1+4/100/12)^(12) * (1+4.875/100/12)^(12*23)
+ ... + 1]
So (getting lazy and using a spreadsheet - it could be done with 4 different geometric series, but that calculation is still large):
x = 913.18
and the total payments over the life of this loan total:
913.18 * 12 * 30 = 328744.80


Now you gotta restart everything:devil:
 

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So how do we figure out if we have a part or a whole? :D We know not what we cannot see.
How did Einstein find a solution to his practical problem when he was working in the patent office?
By working out his universal theories.
The part is in the whole.
 

wildcat

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This is interesting, however it seems like you forgot than

0 = ( ... ((192000 * (1+6.75/100/12)-x) * (1+6.75/100/12)-x) ... )
(expanding the products)
= 192000*(1+6.75/100/12)^(28*12) - (1+6.75/100/12)^(28*12-1)*x - (1+6.75/100/12)^(28*12-2)*x - ... - x
(simplifying with the Geometric Series formula)
= 192000*(1+6.75/100/12)^(28*12) - [(1+6.75/100/12)^(28*12)-1] / [(1+6.75/100/12)-1] * x
so
x = 192000 * (6.75/100/12) / [1-(1+6.75/100/12)^(-28*12)] = 1273.40
The total amount payed over the life of the loan is:
1273.40 * 12 * 28 = 427860.94

and
0 = (...((199000 * (1+2/100/12)-x) * (1+2/100/12)-x) * ... * (1+4.875/100/12)-x)
= 192000 * (1+2/100/12)^(12*5) * (1+3/100/12)^(12) * (1+4/100/12)^(12) * (1+4.875/100/12)^(12*23)
- x * [(1+2/100/12)^(12*5-1) * (1+3/100/12)^(12) * (1+4/100/12)^(12) * (1+4.875/100/12)^(12*23)
+ (1+2/100/12)^(12*5-2) * (1+3/100/12)^(12) * (1+4/100/12)^(12) * (1+4.875/100/12)^(12*23)
+ ... + 1]
So (getting lazy and using a spreadsheet - it could be done with 4 different geometric series, but that calculation is still large):
x = 913.18
and the total payments over the life of this loan total:
913.18 * 12 * 30 = 328744.80


Now you gotta restart everything:devil:
I have to find a new MBTI ? :)
 

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Do we have loci in between of 1 and T(1)?
10 - 9 = 1
Not in the continuum of 1 and T(1)

01 u-turn
10

03 12 u-turn
30 21

05 14 23 u-turn
50 41 32

07 16 25 34 u-turn
70 61 52 43

09 18 27 36 45 u-turn
90 81 72 63 54

loci
1:0
2:1
3:2
4:3
...
9:8

98
89

100 - 89 = 11
100 - 98 = 02

11 - 2 = 9
 

wildcat

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And God created blah blah.

Stage 1. The primeval soup: Chaos.

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Stage 2. The first dichotomy

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wildcat

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Stage 3. The second dichotomy

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Stage 4. The third dichotomy.

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wildcat

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Stage 5. The fourth dichotomy

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Yes, please tell us, wildcat. I usually have no trouble understanding what you're doing, but you've lost me here!
 

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Yes, please tell us, wildcat. I usually have no trouble understanding what you're doing, but you've lost me here!
Okey ragashree and Zarathustra. I should have a Mac or a scanner.. but you can do it if you want. So take a pen, a paper and a ruler.

Draw a square. 7 X 7 .. so that you have 49 equal compartments.
Send it over. Then I tell what to do with it.. or at least I try to.
 

Zarathustra

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Okey ragashree and Zarathustra. I should have a Mac or a scanner.. but you can do it if you want. So take a pen, a paper and a ruler.

Draw a square. 7 X 7 .. so that you have 49 equal compartments.
Send it over. Then I tell what to do with it.. or at least I try to.

Is it ok if I use excel?

(I feel like such a child...:huh:... I haven't felt like this in years...)
 

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We have one chart.

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Therefore what is above 6 is P.

We do not have many charts. This is a chameleon game.

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What is above 6 is P. Think it as a map. Loci is a terrain.
12 is the axiom of P. It is like the King in the throne, in the back seat of Chess.

P = -J. Therefore what is below 6 is J. What is 6 is neither P or J.
 
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ragashree

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We have one chart.

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Therefore what is above 6 is P.

We do not have many charts. This is a chameleon game.

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=

12 11 10 09 08 07 06
11 10 09 08 07 06 05
10 09 08 07 06 05 04
09 08 07 06 05 04 03
08 07 06 05 04 03 02
07 06 05 04 03 02 01
06 05 04 04 02 01 00

What is above 6 is P. Think it as a map. Loci is a terrain.
12 is the axiom of P. It is like the King in the throne, in the back seat of Chess.

I have several questions, all of which are why? :) I can see what you're doing, but the rationale as it relates to anything outside itself escapes me: what's the context? :huh:
 

Zarathustra

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To be honest, I'm kinda starting to get it...

At least the 0-12 part...

I don't quite get the first two blocks of 6s, though...
 

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To be honest, I'm kinda starting to get it...

At least the 0-12 part...

I don't quite get the first two blocks of 6s, though...
Forget the two blocks. It is only a theoretical number basis because we have 6(7 X 7) in the loci. This is the alternative I chose. You do not need to pay undue attention to it. :)
 

ragashree

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Forget the two blocks. It is only a theoretical number basis because we have 6(7 X 7) in the loci. This is the alternative I chose. You do not need to pay undue attention to it. :)

I was thinking it must have been arbitrarily chosen as a median number for the purposes of calulation, so I'm glad I got that right. ;)

P = -J. Therefore what is below 6 is J. What is 6 is neither P or J.

Your addition makes it a bit clearer, or at least points me towards what you might be getting at. You're talking about trying to theoretically map functional distribution between each side of the dichotomy, taking into account the usually excluded middle, or something of the kind? (I may not have put that very well, it's late and I'm sleepy :))
 
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