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    This is the declension of E (Extraversion)

    06 07 08 09 10 11 12
    05 06 07 08 09 10 11
    04 05 06 07 08 09 10
    03 04 05 06 07 08 09
    02 03 04 05 06 07 08
    01 02 03 04 05 06 07
    00 01 02 03 04 05 06

    This is the declension of I

    06 05 04 03 02 01 00
    07 06 05 04 03 02 01
    08 07 06 05 04 03 02
    09 08 07 06 05 04 03
    10 09 08 07 06 05 04
    11 10 09 08 07 06 05
    12 11 10 09 08 07 06
    12 11 10 09 08 07 06

    In the number in the loci
    6(7 X 7) =

    6666666
    6666666
    6666666
    6666666
    6666666
    6666666
    6666666

    =

    d. of I
    =
    d. of E

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    Quote Originally Posted by ReflecttcelfeR View Post
    Alright! I appreciate your patience.
    We shall be there! Sit tight!

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    The dichotomy of E =

    quantified P (> Impulsivity quantified):

    6666666
    4444444
    2222222
    0000000
    0000000
    0000000
    0000000

    +

    qualified J (Activity qualified)

    0123456
    1234567
    2345678
    3456789
    2345678
    1234567
    0123456

    or parallelly

    6789876
    5678765
    4567654
    3456543
    2345432
    1234321
    0123210

    +

    0000246
    0000246
    0000246
    0000246
    0000246
    0000246
    0000246

    The parallel dichotomy depicts impulsivity(a dichotomy of P as well) qualified; activity( a dichotomy of J as well) however quantified.
    Qualification brings about the contour of the MBTI pattern (choice). Quantification is about quantity (how much). It leaves out the aspect of choice.
    Last edited by wildcat; 08-24-2010 at 10:54 PM. Reason: error

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    MBTI is unlinear.
    Therefore it is a process of qualification while it excludes the linear component.

    0123210
    1234321
    2345432
    3456543
    4567654
    5678765
    6789876

    0123456
    1234567
    2345678
    3456789
    2345678
    1234567
    0123456

    6543210
    7654321
    8765432
    9876543
    8765432
    7654321
    6543210

    6789876
    5678765
    4567654
    3456543
    2345432
    1234321
    0123210

    We pick out what is above number 6 in each component while leaving out the loci composed of the straight lines.

    We zero 6 (because it is composed of straight lines); we zero what is below 6 as invalid.

    0XX0XX0
    X0X0X0X
    XX000XX
    000O000
    XX000XX
    X0X0X0X
    0XX0XX0
    Last edited by wildcat; 08-24-2010 at 11:39 PM. Reason: neglect

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    0XX0XX0
    X0X0X0X
    XX000XX
    000O000
    XX000XX
    X0X0X0X
    0XX0XX0

    8 clusters.
    24/3 = 8
    It follows in the 4(5 + 5) model a cluster equals one locus.

    of which in the 6(7 X 7) model: clockwise from top 12345678
    equals the vertical from top left:

    87
    16
    25
    34

    and the horizontal from the rock bottom from the right:

    56
    47
    38
    21

    check

    8123
    1876

    9999


    counter check

    5432
    4567

    9999

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    Quote Originally Posted by wildcat View Post
    MBTI is unlinear.
    Therefore it is a process of qualification while it excludes the linear component.

    0123210
    1234321
    2345432
    3456543
    4567654
    5678765
    6789876

    +

    6789876
    5678765
    4567654
    3456543
    2345432
    1234321
    0123210

    =

    0XX0XX0
    X0X0X0X
    XX000XX
    000O000
    XX000XX
    X0X0X0X
    0XX0XX0
    So those two graphs above added together equal this one below? This would be the same for the other two graphs that I deleted from the quote as well?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ReflecttcelfeR View Post
    So those two graphs above added together equal this one below? This would be the same for the other two graphs that I deleted from the quote as well?
    There is no add. No plus mark. Strictly speaking there is no = either. The four graphs coexist on an imaginary plane. On this imaginary plane they give birth to a contour, and the outcome of the contour is the graph below. The contour is the beginning of a form. The idea is to see which picture, which form or gestalt springs forth.. out of the framework of the gualified imaginarily coexistent number structure.
    The imaginary plane is not a dichotomy. It is a holistic entity.. the ontological cohabitation plane of the structural whole.

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    The post 104 is only a check.. of what I earlier on suggested we should do.. but we didn't, cos nobody was interested at the time.

    I suggested we remove the straight lines of the 6 soup:

    6(7 X 7) =

    6666666
    6666666
    6666666
    6666666
    6666666
    6666666
    6666666

    we zero the straight lines one by one

    0666666
    6066666
    6606666
    6660666
    6666066
    6666606
    6666660

    6666660
    6666606
    6666066
    6660666
    6606666
    6066666
    0666666

    6666666
    6666666
    6666666
    0000000
    6666666
    6666666
    6666666

    6660666
    6660666
    6660666
    6660666
    6660666
    6660666
    6660666

    0660660
    6060606
    6600066
    0000000
    6600066
    6060606
    0660660

    So you see the contour of the qualification process has begun to take shape already. It is not an accident, of course. MBTI is a qualification process: it is about a choice. We have found the mbti in the loci.
    Last edited by wildcat; 08-25-2010 at 07:14 PM. Reason: a note

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    I apologize for all of the questions, but the last graph above:

    0660660
    6060606
    6600066
    0000000
    6600066
    6060606
    0660660

    Is it describing MBTI as a whole? Each cluster of '6' is given to a letter i.e. I and E (ha.) N and S etc. (or the clusters denotate a complete set of a function like the upper left quadrant describes the scale of E and I), or is this something different?

    I will keep in mind that there is no adding or equalling from now on ! At least for this case, that is.
    Last edited by ReflecTcelfeR; 08-25-2010 at 09:05 PM. Reason: A note.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ReflecttcelfeR View Post
    I apologize for all of the questions, but the last graph above:

    0660660
    6060606
    6600066
    0000000
    6600066
    6060606
    0660660

    Is it describing MBTI as a whole? Each cluster of '6' is given to a letter i.e. I and E (ha.) N and S etc. (or the clusters denotate a complete set of a function like the upper left quadrant describes the scale of E and I), or is this something different?

    I will keep in mind that there is no adding or equalling from now on ! At least for this case, that is.
    Yes. Well perceived.
    It does describe MBTI in the enirety.

    The two clusters on the left depict IP. If one of the IP's has the first function Fi, and the other one has got the first function Ti, then we already have drawn the axioms F and T and we go on and in the process determine the other axioms. It may or may not be the case.
    If it is not the case or we do not know, or we do not want to determine it yet, we look further. The two clusters up at the top depict EP. If one of EP's has the first function Se, and the other one has the first function Ne, we have already drawn the axioms S and N and we can go on and in the process determine the other axioms. It may or may not be the case.

    The two clusters on the right depict EJ. If one of them has the first function Fe and the other one has got the first function Te, we can determine the axioms of F and T from there.
    That is, the axiom dividing line is then between them. It may or may not be the case.

    The two clusters at the bottom depict IJ. If one of them has the first function Si and the other one has the first function Ni, we can determine the axioms of S and N from there. It may or may not be the case.

    Equalling is the finding of the lowest common denominator between the axioms. It is a useful procedure; we used it when we qualified the numbers and therefore we could find the MBTI loci. If there is adding we use the mark + .. if there is no sign of + in sight there is no adding.

    There are more ways to find the MBTI loci than one; the simplest is simply to eliminate the straight lines. However, we wanted to find the sound theoretical basis, therefore the equalling. If we are equalling, I try to remember to mention it.

    You are welcome to ask any questions! No need to apologize.

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