User Tag List

First 56789 Last

Results 61 to 70 of 122

  1. #61
    Whisky Old & Women Young Speed Gavroche's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    MBTI
    EsTP
    Enneagram
    6w7 sx/sp
    Posts
    5,143

    Default

    2 questions:

    1 How Fi is independent? Does'nt Fi implies to be dependent of what the Fi user values?

    2 How would you define the word "independent"?

    I'd say the most independent types are INTJ>ISTP>ESTP>INTP>ENTP>ENTJ>INFP>ISFP>ESFP>INFJ> ENFJ>ENFP>ISTJ>ESTJ>ESFJ>ISFJ more or less in that order.
    EsTP 6w7 Sx/Sp

    Chaotic Neutral

    E=60% S=55% T=70% P=80%

    "I don't believe in guilt, I only believe in living on impulses"

    "Stereotypes about personality and gender turn out to be fairly accurate: ... On the binary Myers-Briggs measure, the thinking-feeling breakdown is about 30/70 for women versus 60/40 for men." ~ Bryan Caplan

  2. #62
    Senior Member KDude's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Posts
    8,263

    Default

    Fi is dependent on values but that's kind of stretching the meaning of dependency in this context. I was under the impression that dependency here meant in reference to making decisions that are necessarily mindful of other people. Which would not be Fi. Fi is the most likely function to tell people to go fuck themselves, if necessary. Just to put it in lamen's terms at least (Fi is not always telling people that or anything ). It's introverted judging, and can thrive without reference to friends, social norms, what you or your mom think is right, or caring to even justify itself with a logical explanation either. That isn't to say I think it's the most independent, once you line all functions up... but you will find a streak of independence in every SFP or NFP.

  3. #63
    Administrator highlander's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    MBTI
    INTJ
    Enneagram
    6w5 sx/sp
    Socionics
    ILI Ni
    Posts
    17,894

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Kalach View Post
    And we haven't even heard from the ISTPs yet. They're probably off doing their own thing,
    I would think so

    Please provide feedback on my Nohari and Johari Window by clicking here: Nohari/Johari

    Tri-type 639

  4. #64
    Probably Most Brilliant Craft's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    MBTI
    INTP
    Enneagram
    5w7 sx/so
    Socionics
    N/A
    Posts
    1,200

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by highlander View Post
    "Though a single word cannot possibly describe any type, the word independence gives a thematic thrust to the overall drive of the INTJ.
    Ni
    Clearly this is the force that motivates them. If they could, they would wish independence upon everyone.
    Ni + Te.
    This drive for independence can conflict with the INTJ's need to control his or her immediate surroundings.
    Ni + Te.
    So, colleagues and subordinates must recognize that wile independence is the ultimate goal, it is to be meted out as the INTJ deems appropriate."
    Ni + Te.

    Would you agree that Extraverted Judgment functions are the most "dependent" functions? Would you agree that specifically Extraverted Feeling IS the most "dependent" function? On average, Will an ExFJ work better than an ExTJ alone? Will ExxJ's work better alone than ExxP's?

    If you agree that Je is the most dependent on "people stimuli", then certainly Ji is the least dependent on "people stimuli".

    If Je and Ji are extremes then in the middle lies Ni and Ne.

    Therefore:

    Quote Originally Posted by Craft View Post
    Independence(+):

    Ti +10
    Fi +7.5
    Ni + 5
    Si + 2.5

    Independence(-):

    Ne - 2.5
    Se - 5
    Te - 7.5
    Fe - 10

    From this you have to consider the Dom(+-5) and Aux(+-2.5) functions of each type so it's this:

    INTP(10), ISTP(7.5)=INFP(7.5), ISFP(5)=ENTP(5), ESTP(2.5) = ENFP(2.5), ESFP(0) = INTJ(0), ISTJ(-2.5) = INFJ(-2.5), ISFJ(-5) = ENTJ(-5), ESTJ(-7.5) = ENFJ (-7.5), ESFJ(-10)

    ...at least based on my understanding. Realistically, I think nurture would overwhelm nature.

  5. #65
    Senior Member INTPness's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    MBTI
    INTP
    Enneagram
    5w4
    Posts
    2,158

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Gavroche View Post
    2 questions:

    1 How Fi is independent? Does'nt Fi implies to be dependent of what the Fi user values?

    2 How would you define the word "independent"?

    I'd say the most independent types are INTJ>ISTP>ESTP>INTP>ENTP>ENTJ>INFP>ISFP>ESFP>INFJ> ENFJ>ENFP>ISTJ>ESTJ>ESFJ>ISFJ more or less in that order.
    I'm FAR more "independent" than any ESxP's I've ever known. They want interaction - they actually try to draw me out of my shell and make me less independent than I am. They don't understand my level of independence at all. A lot of INTP's (and probably other INxx's) could stay inside their residence for weeks on end, without every leaving and be perfectly happy doing so. ESTP's have a much different kind of independence than this. But, as far as just "leave me alone, I've got this on my own, don't need your help or your input", I'd say INTP's are far more independent than any extroverted type.
    NTJ's are the only types that have ever made me feel emo.
    ENP's are the only types that have ever made me feel like a sensor.


    There are two great days in a person's life - the day we are born and the day we discover why. --William Barclay

  6. #66
    Senior Member INTPness's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    MBTI
    INTP
    Enneagram
    5w4
    Posts
    2,158

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by KDude View Post
    S is not being with the "masses"... haha..
    Sure it is. S's are 75-80% of the population. To the N's of the world (the minority by a margin of 3 to 1, or 4 to 1), S's are absolutely the "masses". Don't take it as a put down, it's just a fact. There's a lot more of you than there are of me.

    It's simply preferring to experience the sensory world (and as far as i'm concerned, there are not other optional worlds at the moment).
    Sounds like you are minimalizing the skills of N's. We live in the same world as you do (and we aren't trying to convince anyone of alien life on another planet), but we view things differently than you guys, that's all. We know that the sensory world is important (we don't deny that), but it's not the only thing. We don't have to see, touch, taste, feel, or hear something in order to know that it's there. We read between the lines, we understand very quickly the mood, the aura, the atmosphere, and what is happening around us based on those types of things. We can walk into a room of people we've never seen before and know right away that something really strange is going on, or that people are uncomfortable, or that there is danger in the air. This example has been used time and time again, but I'll use it again. Sensors only know that a cop is a mile ahead of them clocking people on his radar gun if they see the cop, or if they hear the radar detector on their dashboard beep. Intuitives just know that "something seems fishy" and we slow down. Then when we pass the cop, we know why we had that feeling. I don't expect you to fully understand it, being that you put so much stock in the sensory world, but ask just about any intuitive and they'll probably agree, more or less.

    Another way of looking at it is this: sensors do things all the time and I can watch them or listen to what they say and immediately know what their intentions are. They say something and I know their motive. I don't just listen to what they physically said, but I also read "underneath" what they said. Why would they say something like that? Ohhhh, they're trying to hide what happened last week and so they're covering it up. Blah, blah, blah. We don't just see the simple words. That's only the first layer. There's so much more to it when someone talks or acts. We are able to make those connections - connecting the dots and seeing the patterns of "why" things are happening the way they are in the world or in people.

    So, same world, but different skills. Believe it.
    NTJ's are the only types that have ever made me feel emo.
    ENP's are the only types that have ever made me feel like a sensor.


    There are two great days in a person's life - the day we are born and the day we discover why. --William Barclay

  7. #67
    Controlled Mischief StephMC's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    MBTI
    ISTP
    Enneagram
    9w8 sp/sx
    Socionics
    ISTp
    Posts
    1,054

    Default

    ^ :rolli: It sounds like you're minimalizing the skills of S's and glorifying the skills of Ns. S's have their own form of "intuition" (not necessarily in the Jungian sense). ISxPs, for example, have characteristic "hunches" they follow. Fi users (not N users in general), are characterized as "often getting a 'gut feeling' of how good or bad something is and easily detect how someone's behavior is phony."

    I often feel people mistake what's "N" for other functions. This is just one example. The bottom line is that there are sucky iNtuitors out there and sucky Sensors (Meaning they suck at using their dominant functions). And vice versa. Not all Ns fit the glorified description above. It's all a matter of how an individual uses their own particular functions. That's why just grouping "Ss as the masses" sometimes sounds derogatory.
    I have an inner monologue that sounds strikingly similar to something off Animal Planet.

  8. #68
    Controlled Mischief StephMC's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    MBTI
    ISTP
    Enneagram
    9w8 sp/sx
    Socionics
    ISTp
    Posts
    1,054

    Default

    Oh, and didn't mean to throw off the thread. Anyways, INTs, ISPs and ENTPs seem like the more independent types, in my opinion.
    I have an inner monologue that sounds strikingly similar to something off Animal Planet.

  9. #69
    Senior Member Robopop's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    MBTI
    INTP
    Enneagram
    5w4 sp/sx
    Socionics
    ILE
    Posts
    690

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Gavroche View Post
    2 questions:

    1 How Fi is independent? Does'nt Fi implies to be dependent of what the Fi user values?

    2 How would you define the word "independent"?

    I'd say the most independent types are INTJ>ISTP>ESTP>INTP>ENTP>ENTJ>INFP>ISFP>ESFP>INFJ>ENFJ>ENFP>ISTJ>ESTJ >ESFJ>ISFJ more or less in that order.
    Could you please explain how a ESTP is more "independent" than a INTP?
    Wouldn't introverts BY DEFINITION by more independent than extroverts, extroverts have all these other desirable attributes like charisma and now they have independence too? I highly doubt extroverts really want the bad side of indepedence that extreme introverts have to deal with.

    I know everybody has their different ideas on what it means to be independent, but shouldn't a person less reliant on other people be more independent, this would favor introverts over extroverts. N and T would also favor independence though so some people might consider an ENTP for example to be more independent than an ISFJ. So could S, F, and maybe even J cancel out introversion?

  10. #70
    Probably Most Brilliant Craft's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    MBTI
    INTP
    Enneagram
    5w7 sx/so
    Socionics
    N/A
    Posts
    1,200

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by StephMC View Post
    ^ :rolli: It sounds like you're minimalizing the skills of S's and glorifying the skills of Ns. S's have their own form of "intuition" (not necessarily in the Jungian sense). ISxPs, for example, have characteristic "hunches" they follow. Fi users (not N users in general), are characterized as "often getting a 'gut feeling' of how good or bad something is and easily detect how someone's behavior is phony."

    I often feel people mistake what's "N" for other functions. This is just one example. The bottom line is that there are sucky iNtuitors out there and sucky Sensors (Meaning they suck at using their dominant functions). And vice versa. Not all Ns fit the glorified description above. It's all a matter of how an individual uses their own particular functions. That's why just grouping "Ss as the masses" sometimes sounds derogatory.
    it's just stimulation. "N's" have S functions and "S's" have N functions. It doesn't mean that N's are truly "OMG! PSYCHIC!!", it means they like thinking about a certain type of information. (I know an ISTP with a really good Ni(predicting) function. What I have not met is a dumb N.) Though preference does create certain advantages and disadvantages.

    "Hunches" are not an "N" thing. Ne or Ni is is more elaborate than that as it DOES have information and that information is not just from thin air.

    Everyone has hunches. Usually, they're just logical fallacies.

Similar Threads

  1. What type is the most heroic?
    By Elfboy in forum Popular Culture and Type
    Replies: 27
    Last Post: 07-09-2011, 06:54 PM
  2. What type is the most ..
    By UnitOfPopulation in forum General Psychology
    Replies: 21
    Last Post: 11-29-2009, 06:10 PM
  3. Which type is the most manipulative and dishonest?
    By Infidel in forum General Psychology
    Replies: 4
    Last Post: 11-26-2009, 01:03 AM
  4. [MBTItm] What type is the most likely to make a "What type is the most likely" thread?
    By Mort Belfry in forum The NT Rationale (ENTP, INTP, ENTJ, INTJ)
    Replies: 23
    Last Post: 12-28-2008, 01:32 PM
  5. What type is the most pedantic?
    By Kiddo in forum Myers-Briggs and Jungian Cognitive Functions
    Replies: 43
    Last Post: 10-24-2007, 02:11 PM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
Single Sign On provided by vBSSO