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    Quote Originally Posted by PinkPiranha View Post
    I like making up new words. May I add your fancy word to my lexicon?
    Yes you may and I would be very much honoured about it.

    I'm good in making new words (because engish-> English is not my native language). One example: I always type word sence... sense wrong. You may also add that one if you like as well as engish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alcearos View Post
    SF = friendly people
    ST = serious in business, reliable, hard working
    Here are some very brief descriptions I came up with:

    NF: These people are highly empathetic and idealistic. They have an incredibly advanced intuitive understanding of people. They are highly spiritual and morally enlightened. Their goal is to understand themselves and others. At best, they are creative and prophetic individuals who want to make the world a better place. At worst, they feel tortured and behave in an overly-theatrical manner. Perhaps prone to depressive episodes, bipolar disorder, and dramatic neuroses. Life for male NFs in particular is difficult, as it goes against their prototypical role in society.
    As children, they tend to be gentle dreamers. Almost adult-like in their understanding of human emotions. Very kind towards peers and animals. They usually love nature. In highschool, they may be seen as "bohemians" or "emos" who strive to stand out from the crowd. On the contrary, they may also be seen as modest, unassuming, eco-friendly stoicists.
    How to recognize: They generally tend to have a very individualistic, theatrical, or minimalistic appearance. They are prone to speaking in hyperboles, making small things like a paper-cut look like Armageddon or symbolic for the misery of the world.
    Career and interests: Tend to gravitate towards fields were they may help people or express their creativity. Suggestions: psychologist, cult leader, writer, preacher, painter. Hobbies often include psychology, philosophy, charity work, yoga, and anything related to nature.
    Distinctions: NFJ = Strive to help people as well as understand their emotions and their roles in events. More mystical, spiritual, and openly caring.
    NFP = Strive to understand their place in the world, as well as to express "their true self." More individualistic, "counter-culture," and artistically expressive.

    ST: These people are very pragmatic and matter-of-fact. They are the type of people to say "just the facts, ma'am." They have a penchant for hands-on work, factual information, and "getting things done." They are quite good at either mechanics or organization. Their goal is to deal with things as efficiently and pragmatically as possible. At best, they are skilled realists and at worst they are narrow-minded. Prone to aggression and psycopathy.
    As children they are usually very hard-working. In school, they are usually athletic "jocks," hall-monitors, quiet mechanics, or members of the "popular" crowd.
    How to recognize: simple, down-to-earth appearance. Speak in a rather dry manner. Occasionally somewhat aggressive in their speech, whether jokingly or not. Most prone to criticize. Also prone to use expletives frequently.
    Career and interests: Manager, stock-broker, accountant, professional athlete, engineer, mechanic, pilot, soldier, fire-fighter, police officer, investment banker. Hobbies are usually predominantly sports-related. The introverts for recreation tend to focus on things that require great skill and concentration, often involving building things.
    Distinctions: STJ = strive for "success," wealth, and building a family. More organized, traditional, and driven by duty.
    STP = strive for independence and mastery of skill. More impulsive, mechanically and/or athletically talented, and less driven by societies norms.

    SF: They are very caring, sociable, and at the same time, realistic. Very skilled at socializing, communication, and otherwise dealing with people. There goal is to care for people and to build relationships. At best, they are kind, joyous, and helpful. At worst, they are overly-anxious and hedonistic. Prone to borderline and dependent neuroses.
    As children, they are very outgoing and understanding. In school they are the typical in-crowd, especially for females. SFJs tend to behave more like role models and are often the "teacher's pet." SFPs tend to be a bit more artistic and unruly.
    How to recognize: Very focused on their appearance. SFJs want to look more traditional while SFPs prefer a "wilder" or festive appearance. Collectively, they generally tend to speak in a warm manner, often riddled with emotional expression of various sorts.
    Careers and Interests: psychology, art, music, acting, (more suggestions?). In their free time they tend to socialize, party, watch films, eat and drink, etc.
    Distinctions: SFJ = as previously stated, more traditional and low-key. Their goal is to nurture. The prototypical mother.
    SFP = more wild and outgoing. Their goal is to appreciate life and indulge their senses (perhaps the most sexual of all types).

    NT: These people are very academic in their interests. Combine the technical skill of the ST with the creative nature of the NF and there you have it. An NT. They are very imaginative and driven. They tend to philosophize everything. Very speculative. Their primary goal in life is to gain an understanding (and perhaps control) of nature through research and the collection of knowledge. At best, are innovative, thoughtful, and daring. At worst, they are cold, unkind, cynical. Prone to obsessive-compulsive behavior, mildly autistic behavior, and schizoid/schizotypal neuroses. Often become extremely detached from reality, which may serve either as a benefit or problem, depending on the situation.
    As children, they are often either quite solitary, absorbed in taking things apart, or quite out-going, always asking questions (perhaps to the irritation of their elders). In highschool, they are often the "nerd" or "geek" and will typically be labeled socially backwards by many. Occasionally, they will develop a rebellious edge, often resulting in them being regarded as mavericks, pranksters, or trouble-makers (this especially applies to ENTXs).
    How to recognize: Dress simply and efficiently, though often with a touch of quirkiness. Frequently appear unkempt and unconcerned of their appearance. They will generally speak in a precise and occasionally terse manner, often utilizing a sophisticated vocabulary (often to the extent of appearing pretentious).
    Careers and interests: Have a love for theorizing and systematizing. Computer specialist, military commander, scientist, analyst, lawyer, inventor, stand-up comedian, philosopher, sci-fi writer, mathematician. Their hobbies are usually quite similar.
    Distinctions: NTJ = more driven, ambitious, and pragmatic. Often have quite an ability to strategize everything.
    NTP = lazier, less driven, and more idiosyncratic. Are more attracted to inventing or configuring than strategy.
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    I use all sorts of random combinations as the situation calls for.

    For instance, you can generalize about INTPs, Is, Ns, Ts, Ps, INs, ITs, IPs, INTs, NTPs, NTs, TPs, or NPs. Did I miss any?

    The groupings that seem best to me, though, are NP/NJ/SP/SJ. These four seem the most different from each other.

    I don't like grouping STs together because, well, think of an ESTP vs ISTJ. Could you get any more different?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Randomnity View Post
    I use all sorts of random combinations as the situation calls for.

    For instance, you can generalize about INTPs, Is, Ns, Ts, Ps, INs, ITs, IPs, INTs, NTPs, NTs, TPs, or NPs. Did I miss any?

    The groupings that seem best to me, though, are NP/NJ/SP/SJ. These four seem the most different from each other.

    I don't like grouping STs together because, well, think of an ESTP vs ISTJ. Could you get any more different?
    I do that random grouping too, because some are more relevant to the specific situation than others. What really surprises me is that I can get along with and even feel sympathy for an ESTP, despite that we theoretically shouldn't have anything in common.

    Anyway, according to that list/description of temperaments Merkw posted, it seems like I have NF and NT qualities in various ways. Then again, I'm also a 4w5, so...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alcearos View Post
    I'm so good! I made up a new word.
    ST = serious in business, reliable, hard working
    Once more I correct my writings.

    STJ's = serious in business, reliable, hard working
    STP's = fun loving doers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Merkw View Post

    To DaRick: What is wrong with acting weird for the sake of doing so? I'm surprised that you, a 4w5 sp, would say such.

    In accordance with Lenore Thomson's theories, INxPs are perhaps the most idiosyncratic of all types, due to Ne as the auxiliary function.

    INxPs of all types are most likely to have a particularly strong urge to do things differently--to separate themselves from the masses. They are mos likely to have a penchant for things outside-of-the-box and are most likely to strongly embrace individualism.
    If you act 'weird for the sake of being weird', then you're not being true to yourself, really. 4w5's are individualists - they like being individuals. That doesn't necessarily extend to pretending to be weird, which would be being weird for the sake of being weird. It's like being cool for the sake of being cool - it's a pose; it's an act. It's true that we all sport facades (some INFP's I know certainly do so) in public (I'm often mistaken for an ISTJ because of this), but I would never agree with trying to cultivate an image. I'm innately weird - people have called me 'weird' and I've never had to try to earn that title.

    Besides, it's the INTP's in my life that I have issues with - not INFP's. Also, my Ne is quite strong (although theoretically it shouldn't be), so I am no stranger to idiosyncracy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaRick View Post
    If you act 'weird for the sake of being weird', then you're not being true to yourself, really. 4w5's are individualists - they like being individuals. That doesn't necessarily extend to pretending to be weird, which would be being weird for the sake of being weird. It's like being cool for the sake of being cool - it's a pose; it's an act. It's true that we all sport facades (some INFP's I know certainly do so) in public (I'm often mistaken for an ISTJ because of this), but I would never agree with trying to cultivate an image. I'm innately weird - people have called me 'weird' and I've never had to try to earn that title.

    Besides, it's the INTP's in my life that I have issues with - not INFP's. Also, my Ne is quite strong (although theoretically it shouldn't be), so I am no stranger to idiosyncracy.
    Well, INTPs are also Thinkers rather than Feelers, so that could possibly increase a disregard for social norms. If one feels compelled to behave weird for the sake of being weird then one is being oneself, as he or she is acting on his/her personal ideals. Behaving in an odd manner for the sake of doing so is an act to differentiate oneself from the crowd. Such people (myself included) often feel that social norms are exceedingly irrational and restrictive. You should really look into the book Eccentrics: A Study of Sanity and Stangeness, by David Weeks and Jamie James. Here is a link to the amazon.com description: Amazon.com: Eccentrics: A Study of Sanity and Strangeness (Kodansha Globe): Books: David Weeks,Jamie James
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    Quote Originally Posted by Randomnity View Post
    I don't like grouping STs together because, well, think of an ESTP vs ISTJ. Could you get any more different?
    Right on. ISTJ father, ESTP sister. NOT a relationship right now!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Merkw View Post
    I have always been irked by the fact that MBTI types are divided into NT, SP, SJ, and NF, all because of the KTI. I'm not quite sure why this irritates me, but it just seems ideologically inconsistent for whatever reason. One thing I like about socionics is this aspect, where the divisions are (1) NF humanitarian, (2) ST Pragmatic, (3) SF Socialite, and (4) NT Researcher.

    Does anyone else feel the same? Do you think the original MBTI divisions should be re-instated?
    This has never caused a problem for me, probably because I don't delve too deeply into the theory. There are many 4-type classifications out there. They seem to fit just fine in my thinking, but like I said it's probably because I don't get that deep down into it. My level of understanding serves my purposes just fine. No description ever describes someone 100% anyway - in my experience it's usually about 85%, so I don't agonize over the details.

    But I know how it feels to be irked :steam: so I feel your pain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Merkw View Post
    Well, INTPs are also Thinkers rather than Feelers, so that could possibly increase a disregard for social norms. If one feels compelled to behave weird for the sake of being weird then one is being oneself, as he or she is acting on his/her personal ideals. Behaving in an odd manner for the sake of doing so is an act to differentiate oneself from the crowd. Such people (myself included) often feel that social norms are exceedingly irrational and restrictive. You should really look into the book Eccentrics: A Study of Sanity and Stangeness, by David Weeks and Jamie James. Here is a link to the amazon.com description: Amazon.com: Eccentrics: A Study of Sanity and Strangeness (Kodansha Globe): Books: David Weeks,Jamie James
    Well...a personal ideal could also be to act cool or put on an image outside to try and protect your identity. Even you admit that being weird for the sake of being weird is just that...an act. If you are weird by nature, then fine. If you aren't, though, there's no point, in my opinion, consciously expending energy just to be weird. It's more worthwhile expending energy to be yourself, even though you may subconsciously develop an external facade, as I have. That's what 4w5's, IMHO, are all about. BTW, thanks for the Amazon link.

    The part about Thinkers having a relative disregard for social norms is probably correct, as I imagine Feeler's (particularly Fe's) would be more likely to adhere to social norms just so that they can get along with other people. I have done this at times, admittedly, even though my knowledge of social norms is occassionally limited.
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