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    Smile someone please explain Ni to me!

    Ni is somewhere around Fi on the list of functions that I fully understand... my major experiences with it in the inferior position are rather negative, I fear and I'd like a better understanding of the function if anyone will be kind enough to do so!

    thanks!
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    It's imaginary.






    {something about symbols and mystic conclusions and the future}

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    that's exactly what I feared!
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    There are books out there which discuss every function your pretzel-baking heart desires.

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    books?!?! why would I read them when I can pick the minds of others?! :horor:


    hmmm... pretzels DO sound delicious though...
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    Quote Originally Posted by whatever View Post
    books?!?! why would I read them when I can pick the minds of others?! :horor:


    hmmm... pretzels DO sound delicious though...
    What? You don't like to read books? :steam::steam::steam::steam:
    I want some of your pretzel bread!

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    I read fun books, I ask questions of others on conceptual information, because I learn better from picking the minds of other people in a way

    I don't even leave home without a book

    I shall send you some pretzel bread then!
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    Introverted iNtuition (Ni)

    * Foreseeing
    * Conceptualizing
    * Understanding complex patterns
    * Synthesizing and symbolizing
    * Future

    "This is how it will be."
    "Aha, that's it!"

    When Ni is a preferred process:

    * You usually feel a certainty about what is going to happen, often without much detail and without being able to trace the actual data that would support the prediction.
    * You focus on "what will be."
    * You are energized by transformational visions of how someone can grow or of a completely original approach to get there.
    * You are drawn to make those visions manifest.
    * Frequently you experience flashes of insight that present themselves as broad themes and patterns or systems of thought without being triggered by external events.
    * Inner images come as a knowing that taps into universal symbols and with a certainty that they are true.

    Introverted Intuiting is about Seeking Insights and Meanings

    It focuses on:

    * Identifying underlying meaning
    * Identifying the inter-relatedness of data
    * Synthesizing the information to reveal the "golden nuggets"

    Its approach is to:

    * Just state how or what action to take
    * Rely on insight to develop vision for the future
    * Envision without the need for tangible support

    Introverted Intuiting's verbal communications are delivered in absolutes with a quest for meaning, i.e.:

    * "Why?"
    * Identifying the hidden meaning
    * States what is going on behind the scenes

    Introverted Intuiting's nonverbal cues are: reflective, serious, and confident; may appear complex, disengaged; could appear hesitant to respond.

    To build rapport with introverted Intuiting, we can try:

    * Providing a theoretical framework
    * Using symbolic, conceptual language
    * Relating concrete experience to theories
    * Asking them to show you how they made their connections
    * Asking for the long-term vision

    Here are the sorts of complaints we make about introverted Intuiting when we feel uncomfortable. We say the person is...

    * Serious and arrogant
    * Complex and vague
    * Theoretical or lacking specifics
    * Inflexible and adversarial
    * Out of touch with reality




    Extraverted iNtuiting (Ne)


    * Inferring
    * Hypothesizing
    * Seeing possibilities
    * Wondering and brainstorming
    * Emergent

    "This is what might be."
    "It could be this or this or this or . . ."

    When Ne is a preferred process:

    * Much reading "between the lines" occurs.
    * Potential possibilities and meanings are "revealed" and must be explored.
    * Energized by discovering other perspectives in an ever-shifting succession of ideas or insights triggered by the particular situation, much like brainstorming.
    * You frequently experience a flight of ideas that brings relevant pieces of information from one context into another.
    * "What is" is not seen for what it is but for its relationship to other things.
    * Everything is perceived in a context of a web of relationships. Nothing stands alone or is disconnected.

    Extraverted Intuiting is about Seeking Patterns and Possibilities

    It focuses on:

    * Possibilities for the future
    * Identifying connections and patterns within the data
    * Connecting the current situation with other possible situations -- what could be

    Its approach is to:

    * Propose options
    * Respond enthusiastically to the ideas of others
    * Get excited about doing something differently

    Extraverted Intuiting's verbal communications are delivered through possibilities, i.e.:

    * "We could do this, or maybe that"
    * Connects the dots without drawing the lines
    * Rapid delivery following stream-of-consciousness thought

    Extraverted Intuiting's nonverbal cues are: energetic, excited, enthusiastic; bounces easily from one topic to another; enjoys the rush of something new.

    To build rapport with extraverted Intuiting, we can try:

    * Presenting the big picture first
    * Remaining open to new ideas
    * Providing opportunities to brainstorm alternatives
    * Allowing room to explore options without judgment
    * Avoiding the need for accurate details

    Here are the sorts of complaints we make about extraverted Intuiting when we feel uncomfortable. We say it's:

    * Lacking in follow-through
    * Random, flighty, and chaotic
    * Too comfortable with inaccurate specifics and detail
    * Disrespectful of traditional approaches
    * Overly optimistic and enthusiastic

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    I think you use Ni when you look at something and instead of seeing it directly, you instead look beyond the object (person or thing) to see what it really is or what it could be, what is causing it to be the way it is, or what you can do to it to make it be something else. That is why it is so anathema to Se, because with Se you are so used to just really seeing everything, as it is. So I think you could arrive nearly at the same place, but just go about it a whole different way. It's hard to sustain Ni thinking for an S type, because it involves too much living in the future or in "what if" and "how about this" scenarios.
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    Quote Originally Posted by whatever View Post
    Ni is somewhere around Fi on the list of functions that I fully understand... my major experiences with it in the inferior position are rather negative, I fear and I'd like a better understanding of the function if anyone will be kind enough to do so!

    thanks!
    Primary Ni is a preferance for trying to find the absolute truth of something, once all the preconcieved ideas, perceptions and wishfull thinking have been swept aside. This will extend to cover both theoretical ideas, and also notions about what is or isn't possible or going to happen.

    When given an idea, the Ni will want to know what made that idea exist in the first place. Without that knowledge, how can you ever know if it is absolutely true, or just the product of something else?

    THis is the reason why NJs will often do things that others consider ridiculous or improbable. They have simple considered the conventional wisdom and been unable to find a basis in truth for it.

    As you move down the function order, it gets less sophisticated and controlled. By the time you reach the inferior position, it is largely inactive, and when it kicks in, it often just grabs hold of some notion the user likes (or dreads) and declares it true, without actually bothering to check.

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