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    52 59.77%
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    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Gavroche View Post
    Males NFs because thay are easily considered as effeminate and it's a shame in our society.
    Agreed. Particularly those of the Introverted and Perceiving variety because all four of those preferences reflect the opposite of masculine stereotypes. I can't speak for all male NF's though, and I certainly can't speak on behalf of female NT's. INFP personality traits, in men, not only presents problems attracting women (in general), but it makes career development difficult as well, which in turn has an adverse affect on romantic relationships.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IZthe411 View Post
    Females will always have it easy.
    But it's all in perspective.


    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    NT females are also less likely to emo-dump on people. So a lot of their problems might get kept to themselves.

    While a male NF might make damn sure you know about all their trials and tribulations.
    Looking at threads on the forum NF men and NT women appear to be just about as vocal as each other about the difficulties of fitting in with gender role expectations, they're just different kinds of threads and different desired outcomes. imo NT women tend to complain and ask for understanding, NF men tend to emo-dump.

    Quote Originally Posted by the state i am in View Post
    nt types don't have to worry about creating a space for themselves to get paid. and the financial pressure of the future and the world of work and blah blah what are you gonna do weighs heavily on us.

    nf males often times wander/flail around and don't figure out what they need to do for a long time.
    Ever heard of NTPs?

    Quote Originally Posted by Billy View Post
    I think female NT's do, because they want to be taken seriously and many men just wont ever give them that satisfaction, whereas as a male NF I can bond with anyone, STs, NFs, NTs SFs whatever, yeah it may be annoying to have to hide a lot of my emotional side because people will make fun of me for it, but I am adept at wearing differnt skins in public to protect my gooey core all the time anyway, plus I am not a sissy so people dont try to mess with me.
    Good point that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainne View Post
    should really be a infx men vs. nt (excluding entp) woman thread
    No. Dunno why people would think ENTP women wouldn't experience the same dramas, am curious why you would suggest that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Amalie View Post
    It's relative.
    At the end of the day Amalie is indeed correct. You can't tell a NF male who has found being accepted for who he is very difficult that his struggle is any less than a NT woman who finds the same thing as each persons perspective trumps how another "may" experience things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noigmn View Post
    You might want to exclude the ENFs, because male ENFPs and ENFJs normally have it pretty good. They suffer near the least of the male types.
    I was going to say; my godfather is ENFP and has absolutely supernatural powers over women. In his peripheral vision he saw his future wife digging through her purse for a lighter, and without breaking eye contact with the guy he was talking to, reached out and lit her cigarette. Fifteen minutes later, they're dancing in a cage at some nightclub.

    ENFs, I think it's fair to say, have the most empathic sophistication, the best ability to read people, and that is not at all a bad thing.

    But I imagine that male INFs have it rougher than female NTs. A woman with an engineering degree from a strong school finds a job faster than an Olympic sprinter/astronaut in an overly literal space race.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnfloyd6675 View Post
    But I imagine that male INFs have it rougher than female NTs. A woman with an engineering degree from a strong school finds a job faster than an Olympic sprinter/astronaut in an overly literal space race.
    Work is only one aspect of life and I suspect that anyone with an engineering degree from a strong school finds a job faster than an Olympic sprinter/astronaut in an overly literal space race, unsure why that would have anything to do with type.

    Plus life also consists of things such as relationships.

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    i'm going to say it's harder for NF males because i believe being disliked is harder on an NF than it is an NT. NTs are less prone to be affected how people care about them. they are also not prone to accomodating to suit others which means they won't suffer the same amount of opression an the NFs. NTs tend to think like this: if people don't like us, that's their problem.
    i see NFs as more vulnerable in this case.

    i also think that in societies current paradigm, it's more respectable to be a T than it is to be an F because we still believe the "masculine" position is the superior one. so they see T women as taking a step up but F men as taking a step back. ...generally...
    but of course NT women get all kinds of labels. most of them flatter me, though.
    you're a bitch = you're about to make me cry in public

    which sure beats the heck out of being called a wuss or a sissy because at least being a bitch has advantages.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trinity View Post

    Plus life also consists of things such as relationships.
    that's a interesting point. i imagine NT females have it harder in the relationship aspect because society has not been bred to forgive callous or domineering natures in women. That and some of our complementary NF male counterparts are scared of not being the masculine one in the relationship.
    a lot of guys it seems, are out there only for a girl to giggle at their jokes, sit on their lap and fawn over them, like they're worth more than they really are.

    was that a real point or was i just bitching?... whichever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge View Post
    i also think that in societies current paradigm, it's more respectable to be a T than it is to be an F because we still believe the "masculine" position is the superior one. so they see T women as taking a step up but F men as taking a step back. ...generally...
    But it's more likely for a male to be a F than it is for a female to be a T according to stats, is it really that unacceptable?

    T
    Males 56.5%
    Females 24.5%
    Total 40.2%

    F
    Males: 43.5%
    Females: 75.5%
    Total: 59.8%

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    I'd say male NF's; female NT's are generally better situated to break down things that would damage us and usually just don't care nearly as much about whot others think of us. Still do to a degree, obviously (I worry about whot other people think WAY too much... but I don't normally let it get to me).

    Male NF's, however, are more prone to reacting emotionally when attacked verbally or whotever, leaving them at a bit of a disadvantage on the playing field, especially since there's not really anywheres they can go for consolation, as most people will just further the problem rather than help with it.

    I'd say we both definitely have our issues to deal with, but most NT's are able to tolerate the baseless accusations of stupid people. NF's are just less likely to be armoured in a way that will protect them from such as well.

    Though once someone DOES get past that barrier, NF's are better suited to healing themselves, NT's don't know how to fix an emotional wound on themselves nearly as easily.

    Suppose it's hard to say XD

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trinity View Post
    But it's more likely for a male to be a F than it is for a female to be a T according to stats, is it really that unacceptable?
    Even so, we are still a minority. A minority that is spit on, cast aside, and completely abandoned by this world.

    The fact is, male Fs are second-class citizens in this world. And because we are feelers, we feel that sense of rejection so, so deeply. We internalize it. It becomes a part of us.





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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister Eyebrows View Post
    Even so, we are still a minority. A minority that is spit on, cast aside, and completely abandoned by this world.

    The fact is, male Fs are second-class citizens in this world. And because we are feelers, we feel that sense of rejection so, so deeply. We internalize it. It becomes a part of us.
    43.5% of men are abandoned by the world?

    The stats have males thinkers at 56.5% and male feelers at 43.5%, doesn't seem like much of a minority, especially when you compare it to female thinkers/feelers that are closer to 75/25.

    If the stats say that the population of males are that evenly split what exactly what is it that is unacceptable that 45% of men might feel like "second-class citizens"? And if they are 45% of the population why are expectations that are unnatural pushed onto feeler males by their peers? Surely 45% wouldn't bend to the expectations of 55%.

    If this really is a matter of being such a minority then what feeler men are included? Are SFJ men excluded because Si is notoriously associated with being traditional, are SFP men excluded as well, if they aren't then ya'll aren't really a minority, if they are then is the issue more about iNtuition being close to 75/25 S/N and iNtuitives not being able to fit societies expectations?

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