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    I suppose that an NF would have a tad of trouble. Then again, women always get the crap end of the stick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oakysage View Post
    Who has it harder... how? Is their having it easier meaning having more of an appeal towards the SJs?

    EDIT: Ah yes I see the question. So it basically is having more of an appeal towards the SJs...
    In which case I would perhaps say NF males may have a less appeal towards Si so they may have it harder...
    Not really an appeal towards SJs. More so T/F and gender norms.

    A male SFJ or female STJ would have these same problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    Not really an appeal towards SJs. More so T/F and gender norms.

    A male SFJ or female STJ would have these same problems.
    Yes, I understood. However, it sounds like T/F gender norms according to Si tradition. And the SFJ male and STJ female also have their place in the traditional gender norms as well where as not so much for the two you mentioned which may indeed be why you mentioned it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oakysage View Post
    Yes, I understood. However, it sounds like T/F gender norms according to Si tradition.
    Kind of a stretch. But you can bring in Si and functions to this if you want.

    Quote Originally Posted by Oakysage View Post
    And the SFJ male and STJ female also have their place in the traditional gender norms as well where as not so much for the two you mentioned which may indeed be why you mentioned it.
    Yes, N over SJ is more adverse to norms in general, so it adds to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    NT females are also less likely to emo-dump on people. So a lot of their problems might get kept to themselves.

    While a male NF might make damn sure you know about all their trials and tribulations.
    Do you know any NF males, or do you identify them by the 'emo-dumping'?

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    Females will have a socially imposed "sink or swim" situation at a far younger age, whereas males have more leeway in the identity stereotype to be loners or social butterflies. Since teens of all types are hormonal, the NF male has more time to calibrate to their selves.

    If NT females can figure out how to be NTs while getting along well enough with most others, they have the head-start advantage of being F/T bilingual and pwning later on. However, if their 13yo selves aren't yet able to map out the social climate they get ostracized more easily.

    The stakes are higher and come earlier for NT girls than NF guys--and these earlier formative years are consequential for later in life. Therefore, I think it's more difficult to be an NT female than an NF male.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IZthe411 View Post
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    Females will always have it easy.
    *THWACKKKK!!!*

    But it's all in perspective.
    In this case, I agree with you.
    I think the NF males have it harder...
    ... if only because NT females are still in a better position to do their own thing regardless, personality-wise.

    (The NF has a personal focus, thus any social stigmas hit them harder on a personal level; NT women might not think the social stigma is fair but otherwise we just ignore it and do our thing anyway.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    *THWACKKKK!!!*



    In this case, I agree with you.
    I think the NF males have it harder...
    ... if only because NT females are still in a better position to do their own thing regardless, personality-wise.

    (The NF has a personal focus, thus any social stigmas hit them harder on a personal level; NT women might not think the social stigma is fair but otherwise we just ignore it and do our thing anyway.)
    Yeah- that's what I meant.

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    I think male NFs. The "strong woman" is becoming more accepted these days so T gals are getting a break but I think NF men will always have it a bit tougher
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    Quote Originally Posted by nebbykoo View Post
    Do you know any NF males, or do you identify them by the 'emo-dumping'?
    Why? Do you have any inner angst ya wanna talk about?

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