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    Quote Originally Posted by Orobas View Post
    It is a social reciprocal bond. I think you could easily split society along a Te/Fi and a Ti/Fe divide. Either side could drop the other two judging functions and be okay, the society would continue on in a stable way.
    That makes sense in a hypothetical way, and is a rather thoughtful reply to the OP.

    However what's neat is that biology designed us to have all 8.
    I wonder how much is biology and how much is simply necessary functions of cognition? It's hard to tell since humans are unique in this regard.

    The Te/Fi is more suited to heirachal agrarian society while the Ti/Fe is more suited to hunter-gatherer.

    So I wonder if we werent designed to be an adaptable populace. If we ended up settled, the Te/Fi folks would begin to outpopulate the Ti/Fe hunters-yet if things changed and we had to hunt again via a disturbance in equilibrium-the cognitive framework is in place to for the population to become more suited for the hunter gatherer Ti/Fe within a few generations.

    Flexible cognitive evolution. neat-o.
    This hypothesis is not one to which I lend as much credence. I think it's useful for describing the different "vibes" of Te/Fi and Ti/Fe, but I don't think it's "true" per se. It is necessarily a post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy, assigning labels to behavior after observing the behavior.

    That said, it's still a cool thought experiment, and it's interesting to see to what degree it is "sort of true." While each "kind of society" might express traits associated more with Te/Fi than Fe/Ti or vice versa, I strongly suspect that both have a strong role in either society, but that one role is more "visible" than the other.
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    Quote Originally Posted by whatever View Post
    because a lot of jobs require that skill... how will you know if someone's lying to you, or if they're genuine, for instance? Not to mention, sales would fall flat for everyone if you took Fe out of the equation, which would also hurt manufacturing and the economic impact of that would end up spreading even to the most antisocial nerd

    Ok but isn't a Fe must have / must do in most situations where you are lying ?


    Anyway sales would drop in the case of global lose of any function.
    However there is a chance that "destruction" of a advertising industry might free some resources that can perhaps be used in a better way.

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    *feels like the only person here who's looking at the big picture of things in a way*

    You are not alone, I assure you.
    Oh, be careful: We have some dumbasses who don't think you can see the big picture.
    The same dumbasses who also believe in canned function orders and development.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Antisocial one View Post
    Losing any function will be quite problematic.
    However my vode goes to Fe. Since it is possible to completely replace it with Te that is supported with heallthy Fi. (at least in theory)
    Hmm this is very interesting. It makes sense.

    To keep with Babylon's idea, I see a Fe world view as perpetuating and engaging prosocial and eusocial attitudes and behavior.

    I think that an environment devoid of Fe, but full of healthy Te and Fi would seem like a bunch of independent city-states strung together only working with each other to increase trade or business or something but without a real sense of interconnectedness or community.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaguar View Post
    You are not alone, I assure you.
    Oh, be careful: We have some dumbasses who don't think you can see the big picture.
    The same dumbasses who also believe in canned function orders and development.
    I know!

    and that reminds me of an article I read the other day on how canned things are bad for people... it had to do with the can lining

    I'm still wondering how any function could be considered irrelevant
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    Quote Originally Posted by uumlau View Post
    That makes sense in a hypothetical way, and is a rather thoughtful reply to the OP.


    I wonder how much is biology and how much is simply necessary functions of cognition? It's hard to tell since humans are unique in this regard.



    This hypothesis is not one to which I lend as much credence. I think it's useful for describing the different "vibes" of Te/Fi and Ti/Fe, but I don't think it's "true" per se. It is necessarily a post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy, assigning labels to behavior after observing the behavior.

    That said, it's still a cool thought experiment, and it's interesting to see to what degree it is "sort of true." While each "kind of society" might express traits associated more with Te/Fi than Fe/Ti or vice versa, I strongly suspect that both have a strong role in either society, but that one role is more "visible" than the other.
    yes, latin lover, I agree with the post labeling as such, utter guesses for sure, however there is something very odd about why they split so evenly.

    Why would biology evolve two groups which side by side just have horrific miscommunications endlessly, when either one could function in isolation alone? There is something missing or not quite right. Evolution's answer is almost always the best, thus why evolve a broken society?

    There is something missing. I just guess around it. I dunno, just playing with Ne and poking at webs o' string.

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    i don't think any function is less useful than others

    it depends on the person, the person's relations to others and growth. it's obvious we all have our strengths and weaknesses. i think it's useful to be at least a bit familiar with every function...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Antisocial one View Post
    Ok but isn't a Fe must have / must do in most situations where you are lying ?


    Anyway sales would drop in the case of global lose of any function.
    However there is a chance that "destruction" of a advertising industry might free some resources that can perhaps be used in a better way.
    just because you don't understand Fe or like for people to be pleasant to you doesn't mean that everyone else is like you... :rolli:... even people with lower Fe usually appreciate Fe in others!

    Plus, it's a helpful function because it cares about you... would you rather me not take the time out of my cover letter writing to kindly explain this to you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by proteanmix View Post
    Hmm this is very interesting. It makes sense.

    To keep with Babylon's idea, I see a Fe world view as perpetuating and engaging prosocial and eusocial attitudes and behavior.

    I think that an environment devoid of Fe, but full of healthy Te and Fi would seem like a bunch of independent city-states strung together only working with each other to increase trade or business or something but without a real sense of interconnectedness or community.
    They would be there-but founded on a few individual Fi bonds that were very tight and then Te bonds in heirachal pattarns of accountibility and responsibility which are Fi rooted and called things like integrity or loyalty. But I think on the surface it would appear much more harsh than an Fe society-yet would function okay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by proteanmix View Post
    Hmm this is very interesting. It makes sense.

    To keep with Babylon's idea, I see a Fe world view as perpetuating and engaging prosocial and eusocial attitudes and behavior.

    I think that an environment devoid of Fe, but full of healthy Te and Fi would seem like a bunch of independent city-states strung together only working with each other to increase trade or business or something but without a real sense of interconnectedness or community.
    Yes. Since the Te makes sure that you see that as soon as you go against the "system" you are risking collapse which will probably lead to your death.

    Also just because there is no Fe that does not apply that the concept of community is out of the equation. It is just that people would be far more reserved towards each other.


    Place a number of IxTJs in one place and you will see this dynamic at work.

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