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    Quote Originally Posted by Craft View Post
    Aye, it could be Ni. Does he simply know where the lines are? or Does he consider it as one of many possibilities?
    hm,.. I need to ask him!

    I got impression he "knows" meaning.. he scans a tree and goes through it bumping into lines... and not thinking "is a line here.. or here"-possibilities...

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    Quote Originally Posted by goodgrief View Post
    The layers of a tree are unseen.
    And they're also concrete objects that you know are there, from learning about trees. Ni deals with abstract data such as underlying meanings.
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    The persons thougts certainly seem to be introverted. Considering the tree doesn't prompt them to take action. Furthermore, they are not drawing any conclusions from their wondering thoughts. Basically, all they are doing is generating ideas about what it might look like inside the tree... or perhaps just "a" tree. It sounds more Ni to me than anything else.

    Ni works as an information generating function much of the time, creating ideas with little outside stimulus. It's an odd function really, as while the psychological energy flows inwards to fuel the thought processses, the flow of information is actually outwards, utilising the auxillary.

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    Ni involves the gathering or "flashing" of wanted information alone. It can also lead to the desire of manipulating information: ambition. It is "cultured" idea. Ne desires more information simply because it does. It is "gathered" idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy View Post
    The persons thougts certainly seem to be introverted. Considering the tree doesn't prompt them to take action. Furthermore, they are not drawing any conclusions from their wondering thoughts. Basically, all they are doing is generating ideas about what it might look like inside the tree... or perhaps just "a" tree. It sounds more Ni to me than anything else.
    There's also Si.That's what it sounds more like. The data, once again, is concrete, not abstract. Only it's internalized, rather than external and current. It's taken from what was once seen in a tree (even if an ilustration in a book on trees or nature show).
    Si does work in tandem with Ne, so that would explain looking at a tree and imagining its rings based on previous knowledge of the inside of trees.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric B View Post
    There's also Si.That's what it sounds more like. The data, once again, is concrete, not abstract. Only it's internalized, rather than external and current. It's taken from what was once seen in a tree (even if an ilustration in a book on trees or nature show).
    Si does work in tandem with Ne, so that would explain looking at a tree and imagining its rings based on previous knowledge of the inside of trees.
    It would seem that your definitions of Si and Ni are different to mine. I don't consider Si to be intrinsically linked to memory, nor Ni to deal only with the abstract. Given this difference, your explanations make not sense to me, and mine make none to you. Unless one of us changes our thoughts on these two functions, the point is irresolveable. Do you wish to hear my thoughts on Si and Ni?

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    I didn't say intrinsically/only, but still, S (either attitude) is concrete, N (either attitude) is abstract, and the internal perception being made there is clearly concrete, and internal concrete perception often manifests in the form of memory (it also includes internal body senses).

    But OK, you give your thoughts on Si and Ni.
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    Re OP.

    Y'ever take a look at what Poki writes?
    Bellison uncorked a flood of horrible profanity, which, translated, meant, "This is extremely unusual."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric B View Post
    I didn't say intrinsically/only, but still, S (either attitude) is concrete, N (either attitude) is abstract, and the internal perception being made there is clearly concrete, and internal concrete perception often manifests in the form of memory (it also includes internal body senses).

    But OK, you give your thoughts on Si and Ni.
    Ok, I'll start with Si. It does indeed deal with things that are concrete. I regard it as a preferance for facts, principals or other information that the user regards as concrete, reliable or otherwise immutable. When an Si user is presented with information, they will grade it according to how much faith they can put in it. The more reliable it is, the more it will feature in their decision making. By contrast, uncertainty brings about caution and perhaps an urge to avoid the associated risks.

    Si gets in backward looking character from the fact that certainty of outcome is only really seen in things that have already run there course. Thus the SJ will examine what has gone before to find what has already worked or failed. The future always contains some uncertainty, and so the Si user will try to find the most certain way of assuring a good future.

    Similarly, the SJs reputation for being able to recall lots of factual information comes about because facts are usually easier to verify than ideas, and once certified as good the fact becomes more valuable to them. This importance makes the SJ more likely to remember the fact.

    This is why I do not regard the example in the thread as Si, because it is not trying to certify the image of the inside of the tree as true. It's a flight of fancy, an idea of how things might be. It's little more than a random idea that popped into the persons head and was played with for awhile to see what happened.

    I'll wait to see what you think of this before saying anything more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy View Post
    Similarly, the SJs reputation for being able to recall lots of factual information comes about because facts are usually easier to verify than ideas, and once certified as good the fact becomes more valuable to them. This importance makes the SJ more likely to remember the fact.
    When I read the original post I immediately thought along these lines. Though to me it seems like a clear-cut case of Si; the recollection of learned facts sparked by the image of the tree. Perhaps its clouded because other functions are inevitably used too?

    Just by the first post, I'd chime in with ISTJ.

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