# Thread: Pi = Judger, Pe = Perceiver; why?

1. Originally Posted by Zarathustra
And Jag, well, Jag's religious fanaticism seems to be either only to say punchy little zingers, or to simply be against whatever Sim says.

He's downright anti-Simitic! (Thought I'd jump on the racist bandwagon while it's still in town...)

2. oy vey!

And regarding your hypothesis for my "learning" Ti.

Bullshit.

I've shown an aptitude for mathematics since age three.

In fourth grade, I bought my first logic puzzles book, and enjoyed them thoroughly, no one told me about them, I found one, and bought it, then loved it.

In eighth grade I taught myself chess on the computer and played it till I beat the computer, admittedly on novice level, but still.

In ninth grade I pwned geometry like a muthafucka, without ever doing homework.

I took and passed AP calc in 11th grade, when I was 15/16.

And, I got an A+ in my Logic class in college.

Sooooo, Ti wasn't instilled in me, nor was/is my ability to logically deduce information.

Just because I *prefer* to use Fi as my guiding force in life does not mean that I am necessarily logically inferior to Ti users.

3. ^ None of the things you've listed constitute Ti use or require strong Ti to be done well.

4. AHAA!!!

That's why I rock at Ti, I am half after all, and my father was an INTP jewbag. :P

5. And you don't think having an INTP father resulted in any Ti values being instilled in you? Not at all?

6. Originally Posted by simulatedworld
^ None of the things you've listed constitute Ti use or require strong Ti to be done well.
Math always came intuitively to me, so you might be right.

I like solving puzzles, they're fun.

And, I was big into set theory before I even knew what it was.

Hahahaha, people at my elementary school thought I was crazy. I wonder why?

7. Originally Posted by SillySapienne
Math always came intuitively to me, so you might be right.

I like solving puzzles, they're fun.

And, I was big into set theory before I even knew what it was.

Hahahaha, people at my elementary school thought I was crazy. I wonder why?
I'm inclined to associate affinity for mathematics more with iNtuiting than with Thinking.

An Ne-dominant mindset seems quite well-suited for puzzle-solving and theories that interrelate diverse concepts.

8. Originally Posted by simulatedworld
And you don't think having an INTP father resulted in any Ti values being instilled in you? Not at all?
Genetically speaking, sure.

But, environmentally speaking, not at all.

He was never around, and he was an assface, though a brilliant one, at that.

Though, my ISTP ex probably did instill Ti "values" in me, but that was post 18.

9. I definitely think there's an element of just being able to logically reason that goes beyond MBTI, to merely having a mind that needs to be able to understand logical progressions, at least to some degree, in order to survive and reproduce.

Those who use Ti just happen to be obsessed with logical reasoning and everything else that Ti does.

If ESFPs weren't capable of understanding any logic whatsoever, they wouldn't realize that they should put food in their mouth when they're hungry, or that they need to chew it once they've put it in their mouth.

10. Originally Posted by Zarathustra
I definitely think there's an element of just being able to logically reason that goes beyond MBTI, and goes to merely having a mind that needs to be able to understand logical progressions, to some degree, in order to survive and reproduce.

Those who use Ti just happen to be obsessed with logical reasoning and everything else that Ti does.
Agreed. Ti use isn't necessary for proficiency in mathematics or puzzle solving or pattern recognition or any of the aforementioned skills.

People strong in Ti are often good at those things, but that doesn't mean everyone is "using Ti" every time he does them. Other functional perspectives can be just as good or better at the same kinds of tasks.

Originally Posted by Zarathustra
If ESFPs weren't capable of understanding any logic whatsoever, they wouldn't realize that they should put food in their mouth when they're hungry, or to chew it once they've put it in their mouth.
Indeed--Ti clearly does not have a monopoly on logic.

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