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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    Here's a formula:

    INTJ + smoke too much weed = INTP

    What happens when an INTP smokes too much weed?

    (btw, if that means what I think it does, then you, me, and our respective lady friends need to meet up some day and burn one down...)
    If you could be anything you want, I bet you'd be disappointed--am I right?

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    Also:

    INTJ + yoga = more balanced J/P for INTJ

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    Quote Originally Posted by simulatedworld View Post
    What happens when an INTP smokes too much weed?
    They become even more worthless INTPs...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    They become even more worthless INTPs...

    What about ENTPs? I'm only asking because I have absolutely no experience whatsoever with this.
    If you could be anything you want, I bet you'd be disappointed--am I right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by simulatedworld View Post
    (btw, if that means what I think it does, then you, me, and our respective lady friends need to meet up some day and burn one down...)
    You are correct, sir...

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    Alright, I'm out for the count.

    Later fellas...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    I tend to agree with this sentiment.

    I feel that I've learned to use Ti as I've gotten older. Like, I've literally learned to introvert my T.

    Similar goes for my N: I feel I've learned to extravert it as I've gotten older. It might be less natural and more draining, but I sincerely feel I do it.

    What would be the alternate explanation: that I use my Te and then make connections with Ni to mimic Ne? I dunno; seems a bit too convoluted to me. At least more convoluted than the notion that I've learned to extravert my already dominant N...

    Furthermore, I would say both of these phenomenon (learning to introvert my T and extravert my N) took place largely at the same time that I would say I "balanced my J and P", by shifting on the spectrum from J towards P.

    I now feel that I have relatively well-balanced J and P, and, hence, am capable of using my shadow functions as if I were an INTP (or, interestingly enough, even an ENTP at times).

    Doing so may not be as natural to me as my traditional NiTe dom/aux structure, but I do feel I legitimately use the two in some circumstances...

    I should add that I only feel I can really make this claim about N and T, so I'm not saying whether or not I fully flip into full INTP functional arrangement or not. I think Si and Fe are a little too muted back there to really be noticeable at all.
    I think it would be fair to say that we can don an "xNTP mask", should we so choose.

    It doesn't mean we are INTP or ENTP, but that we understand and use the primary xNTP functions.

    For my part, I believe that I had INTJ, INFP and INTP tendencies since childhood, that I didn't "grow into" INTJ. Mostly, I know that I've lacked Fe and distrusted Fe for most of my life. That is the one element that I didn't adopt. So, insofar as MBTI type goes, I see INTJ, INFP and INTP strengths to varying degrees, but my weaknesses are very much INTJ weaknesses, not INFP or INTP weaknesses.

    My "INFP side" had me appreciating music, and I've been using music as an emotional outlet (in a very NiFe way) since I was very young. On the INTP side of things, back when I was young, I was constantly trying to expand my knowledge into the most esoteric areas. I'd be reading about relativity and black holes and antimatter ... in non-fiction, scientific contexts, not sci-fi. When I tried to explain things to others, my explanations were largely incoherent in that TiNe way. (One might argue that they were incoherent in an Ni-only way, but I doubt it. I know the difference between my Ni and my Ti. My Ni is random, but remarkably accurate. My Ti is non-random, but fairly slow. I gain NiTe understanding quickly, but gradually develop TiNe understanding as time passes.)

    My "INTJ" side finally started to dominate when I realized that I wanted to be able to explain myself in addition to understanding ideas. It manifested as a desire to teach, to explain, to express things with clarity and precision. I gained satisfaction from being able to explain something well enough that someone else could understand. By developing that skill, I affirmed my own understanding as well as benefiting others' understanding.

    The clincher, though, for my "being INTJ" is that INFP side of me. The Fe/FJ was never there, and is still remarkably weak. So I have the Ni and the Te and the Fi, with Ni and Te being really strong, and Fi being moderately strong, which corresponds mostly to INTJ. If I had been more "INFJ" I could see my preferences leaning more towards the INTP side of things. Even now, I could see myself just sit back and let matters take their own course and play with ideas for fun ... *sigh* ... but in the end I really dislike what happens to my life when I become that irresponsible (no offense to INTPs intended, it's my feeling about my own behaviors and tendencies, and I am within my rights to judge certain tendencies within myself as personally troublesome).

    Thus I am INTJ.

    Of course, the tests kept on saying that I'm ISTJ, which is why I thought MBTI was bull-ca-ca for years: ISTJ sort-of-but-not-really described me. But that's another story.
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    ^ Nice post. I applaud you for acknowledging the existence of INTJ weaknesses in the first place. I'm afraid some NTJs don't even realize there's such a thing.
    If you could be anything you want, I bet you'd be disappointed--am I right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    I think I'm gunna have to side with Sim on this one.

    I think Happy Puppy (Orobas) is too perfect of an example of this phenomenon.

    I don't really know Little Linguist, but Sim's description seemed pretty intriguing and convincing.

    As did his description of Victor (who I also, admittedly, don't know very well)...
    Interesting that you have examples without explanation, never mind the potential for confirmation bias.

    "Oh, that perfectly describes Orobas, so it MUST be true."

    I can do the same with a horoscope. Just ask the lovely Ms. Sapienne.

    Look up "cold reading" while you're at it.


    One of the reasons I do not argue vociferously for any particular view/hypothesis/interpretation of MBTI and Jungian functions is that every single one, including my own, is not falsifiable. This is pseudoscience, after all. I just offer up my own internal observations, compare to MBTI/Jung, and see what others think of them. Never forget that one possible answer to all of these disagreements is "MBTI is a load of horse manure, therefore all of you are wrong."
    An argument is two people sharing their ignorance.

    A discussion is two people sharing their understanding, even when they disagree.

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    Does the fact that the system is subjective really make it a load of horse manure?

    The same could be said of all philosophical discussion. There's no empirical evidence, but does that deprive it of any value or meaning?
    If you could be anything you want, I bet you'd be disappointed--am I right?

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