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    Agree witht he OP. All the attempts to turn MBTI into something wich explains causes rather than describe symptoms, IMO end up in the realm of metaphysics (i.e. the realm of fail - elegantly worded fail but fail nonetheless).

    I guess you could argue that this makes an anti-Jungian and I shouldn't therefore even be on an MBTI forum - but I would counter that I find MBTI has some value in that it helps me predict and manage interactionw ith different personalities, and I don't need to share someone's whole philosophical outlook in order to make use of some of the insights they may throw up.
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    POW!

    (sorry, I just re-watched some scenes from Step Brothers.)

    But yes, it makes perfect sense. Like Keirsey said, "Words and tools. There's nothing else." You can speculate all you want about deep inner meanings if that's fun for you, but the people that try to ascribe a particular Jungian function to every single action someone makes is just silly.

    If I see a cloud and say "That cloud looks like a razor blade, which reminds me i need to shave. By the way, did you know that ancient Thessalonians shaved with tree bark?" That's not me "extroverting Ne" or whatever, it's just a statement and some people are hella over-thinking things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tcda View Post
    Agree witht he OP. All the attempts to turn MBTI into something wich explains causes rather than describe symptoms, IMO end up in the realm of metaphysics (i.e. the realm of fail - elegantly worded fail but fail nonetheless).
    Exactly!

    Quote Originally Posted by tcda View Post
    I guess you could argue that this makes an anti-Jungian and I shouldn't therefore even be on an MBTI forum - but I would counter that I find MBTI has some value in that it helps me predict and manage interactionw ith different personalities, and I don't need to share someone's whole philosophical outlook in order to make use of some of the insights they may throw up.
    Well I always read the name, "Typology Central" and figured it was up for grabs! You can bring any type theory you want here. Socionics folks drag their confused jumbled mess in here, too! Why can't I make a splash?

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    POW!

    (sorry, I just re-watched some scenes from Step Brothers.)

    But yes, it makes perfect sense. Like Keirsey said, "Words and tools. There's nothing else." You can speculate all you want about deep inner meanings if that's fun for you, but the people that try to ascribe a particular Jungian function to every single action someone makes is just silly.

    If I see a cloud and say "That cloud looks like a razor blade, which reminds me i need to shave. By the way, did you know that ancient Thessalonians shaved with tree bark?" That's not me "extroverting Ne" or whatever, it's just a statement and some people are hella over-thinking things.
    Totally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stellar renegade View Post
    What's this elusive sense of identity apart from how you act?
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    But but but

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    I can't decide which one is true! It's almost like both are right!

    Gosh, if only there was a way of categorising and reconciling these two perspectives into some sort of system - one that's able to illustrate not only the similarities, but also the differences, in how we all think and behave
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    The ability to act seemingly differently than your own type is also predetermined by your type. For instance, I think my acting somewhat like a little intuitive was determined by my Artisan ability to be extremely adaptable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stellar renegade View Post
    It's about how you act.

    Get it straight, yo.
    I'm gonna need to see some sourceage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by disregard View Post
    I'm gonna need to see some sourceage.
    "Sourceage" would only determine how personality type is defined, of which there are several theories, all different. We have to figure out the most efficient way for it to operate ourselves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stellar renegade View Post
    "Sourceage" would only determine how personality type is defined, of which there are several theories, all different. We have to figure out the most efficient way for it to operate ourselves.
    Okay. Given that, you would agree that one's personality changes over the course of their lives?

    How about over the course of a day, depending upon one's company or task?

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    Quote Originally Posted by VagrantFarce View Post
    Gosh, if only there was a way of categorising and reconciling these two perspectives into some sort of system - one that's able to illustrate not only the similarities, but also the differences, in how we all think and behave
    +1 rep, because that's nicely dialectical (even if you don't agree with materialist version of said method :p).
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    Why is it called personality type if it's about how people act rather than how they think?

    I never understood that about Kiersey. All of his descriptions aren't really about how people think; it's not really "personality."
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