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The Sensor's Void

FFF

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While visiting here and reading some posts I happened to come up with this interesting idea using my replace N/S with the Big Five's Openness and its 6 sub-traits.

OPENNESS

1. Imagination - high scorers tend to engage in fantasy to create a more interesting world. I would say these types tend to also like stuff like fantasy novels and comic books.

2. Aesthetics - high scorers appreciate beauty in art and nature and may also like poetry.

3. Emotionality - high scorers tend to have good access to and awareness of their feelings.

4. Adventurousness - high scorers are eager to try new activities.

5. Intellect - high scorers enjoy playing with ideas, are open to new and unusual ideas, and enjoying debating intellectual issues.

6. Psychological Liberalism - high scorers are ready to challenge authority, convention, and traditional values.

I'm high in some sub-traits and low in others, but I still consider myself very much an N because of being high in intellect and psychological liberalism. I'm realizing that low levels of all of the 6 things above sort of result in nothing.

1. A low level of imagination results in typical, realistic thinking.

2. A low level of aesthetics results in not thinking or caring about art and poetry.

3. Low levels of emotionality leads to not consider your emotions or not being open to them.

4. Low levels of adventurousness lead to not having an interest in new activities.

5. A lack of intelligence leads to a lack of ideas in someone's head.

6. A lack of psychological liberalism leads to just passively accepting the way things are or accepting things as they're given to you.

When you're low in all of these things that leaves you with little more going on in your mind than the experience of the environment or the recalling of previous experiences.

Now, starting with low on everything as a sort of blank slate, consider what it would be like to add a high level of just one of those such as aesthetics. That would create someone whose mind is actively engaged with creating and enjoying things such as art, poetry, nature, and music. Now, let's crank another knob such as the psychological liberalism one, and you will have a person who sometimes enjoys the arts and nature and at other times enjoys questioning established things.

Anyway, my point is that it's possible that with a really high level of just one of these sub-traits, someone could end up functioning like an N all the time in that one arena. Perhaps you could have someone who is obsessed with art and poetry and devotes a lot of time to it yet is not interested in other things referred to above.

What I am proposing is that pure S types have a large void that can be found to be filled in by N types by the various things listed above. It doesn't matter how much of each one is filling the void, as long as something is in there filling it. It's also interesting to consider that if all the knobs were high, then the person would either be really busy or would have a lot of competing interests in his head.

I have little interest in fantasy stuff and as far as aesthetics go, I have a moderate interest in music as art but no interest in art, poetry,or nature. I am moderate on emotionality and adventurousness. I have a lot of the last two on the list as I mentioned before. This results in often thinking about ideas and questioning established things. Sometimes I consider my emotions, I like to get into new things or explore, and I consider stuff pertaining to music theory and music making. The overall result is a person whose mind is very much filled with N-type activity although I'm lacking in some areas.
 

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not another fucking thread calling sensors inferior in some way and stating that intuitives are better :steam:

the only one of those I scored even moderatly on was emotionality- all the others on openness I scored through the roof :rolleyes:

Anyone who DOESN'T score high on those traits should probably turn in their STP card and go become something squishy and obsessed with sitting at the computer desk all day constructing arguments as to why they are better than someone else... :thelook:

BTW... Little Linguist owes you an ass kicking for saying that sensors are unimaginitive now... if you need proof check out the videos thread... you're DOOMED :devil:
 

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Who brought up the inferiority issue? I don't recall bringing it up or even saying anything derogatory. I'm not clueless as to why someone might consider it derogatory, but I had no intentions of putting anyone down when I wrote it.
 

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the terms "lack of intelligence" and "little going on in their mind" don't exactly come across as complementary :thelook:
 

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Intuitives will always talk about sensors.
Thinkers will always talk about feelers.

People talk about what they are not, because others are their mirror.

Such is the way of the universe.
 

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Actually, low openness and low IQ have been correlated. I'm sorry, but that's how it is.
 

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Yes, I am with Whatever on this.

If there is any void iNtuitives can fill in the lives of Sensors, then I assure you equivalent voids in the lives of iNtuitives can be filled by Sensors.

Sensors use intuition, and iNtuitives use sensing, just in different ways. Get over the N/S divide, it is far more shallow than you believe.

Give me a break. :sick:
Please. :rolli:
Meh. :dry:
 

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I would conclude that most people here who do label themselves as S are probably at least a moderate on the intellect dimension. If that wasn't the case, then they probably wouldn't be here on a site devoted to personality theory (intellectual idea type stuff).
 

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Yes, I am with Whatever on this.

If there is any void iNtuitives can fill in the lives of Sensors, then I assure you equivalent voids in the lives of iNtuitives can be filled by Sensors.

Sensors use intuition, and iNtuitives use sensing, just in different ways. Get over the N/S divide, it is far more shallow than you believe.

Give me a break. :sick:
Please. :rolli:
Meh. :dry:

Sounds pornographic to me. :D
 

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Actually, low openness and low IQ have been correlated. I'm sorry, but that's how it is.

yes, and I'm saying that saying that low openness is a sensor trait is absolute bullshit :cheese:

seriously man... do you think that the people who do really adventurous things are INTPs or something? Or that INTJs are the epitome of emotional openness? And how could someone who uses Sensing NOT appreciate beauty? :shock:

And imagination is more than rainbows and unicorns... how about quick fixes done in manners not thought of before or the creation of a work of art (for instance, you might as well paint a unicorn as try to imagine what god looks like :rolleyes:)...

you're SADLY mistaken on your imagined correlation there- I'd suggest you read up on Se and Si instead of reading the descriptions of the types... it's easier to understand than to read someone's biased opinion :newwink:
 

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yes, and I'm saying that saying that low openness is a sensor trait is absolute bullshit :cheese:

seriously man... do you think that the people who do really adventurous things are INTPs or something? Or that INTJs are the epitome of emotional openness? And how could someone who uses Sensing NOT appreciate beauty? :shock:

And imagination is more than rainbows and unicorns... how about quick fixes done in manners not thought of before or the creation of a work of art (for instance, you might as well paint a unicorn as try to imagine what god looks like :rolleyes:)...

you're SADLY mistaken on your imagined correlation there- I'd suggest you read up on Se and Si instead of reading the descriptions of the types... it's easier to understand than to read someone's biased opinion :newwink:

Correlatoins

There is a strong correlation between N/S and Openness.

I know I didn't provide the most in depth explanation of sub-traits, but a lot of what you said is based on a misunderstanding of the sub-traits.

I'd also like to say that most people are going to be near the middle on openness like the middle area under a bell curve. Even the low people in the section under the curve to the left of the middle are going to have a little bit going on in their heads besides just experiencing things.
 

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FFF, while the Openness dichotomy of the Big Five does correlate to MBTI S/N you have to do a bit more investigation and research on the subtraits.

I have to find the article but if you get more fine-tuned on the openness trait, IIRC only Intellect and Liberalism have the strongest correlations. That means someone can score relatively low on those subtraits, high on others and still have a high openness score. Conversely, someone can score relatively high on those subtraits and low on all others and have a low openness score.

By titling the thread "The Sensor's Void" you are implying that something is lacking or missing from sensors and not describing an equal counterpart to intuitives so I hope you can understand why people are interpreting you the way they are.

And please site something other than Wikipedia. :) There's a whole world of research out there about the FFM.
 

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Who brought up the inferiority issue? I don't recall bringing it up or even saying anything derogatory. I'm not clueless as to why someone might consider it derogatory, but I had no intentions of putting anyone down when I wrote it.

heh, that solves one mystery....

IN?TP, dude. (You can ditch the question mark from your type profile. INFPs usually avoid these sorts of landmines by instinct.)
 

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I'm high in some sub-traits and low in others, but I still consider myself very much an N because of being high in intellect and psychological liberalism.
Seriously? Seriously?

You need to do some research. You may or may not be N but it's not related to either of those traits.

If you were "high in intellect" you would realize there is in fact an enormous difference between correlation and causation. Look into that a little, think about it, and you might be able to come up with some reasons why they might be correlated. Surely a vastly intelligent creature like yourself will be able to reason out some alternative explanations rather than relying on assumptions.
 

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Whatever - If you want responses to each thing you said:

seriously man... do you think that the people who do really adventurous things are INTPs or something? Or that INTJs are the epitome of emotional openness? And how could someone who uses Sensing NOT appreciate beauty? :shock:

And imagination is more than rainbows and unicorns... how about quick fixes done in manners not thought of before or the creation of a work of art (for instance, you might as well paint a unicorn as try to imagine what god looks like :rolleyes:)...

Seeking excitement is a sub-trait of extroversion, and it's interesting to consider that alongside adventurousness. A perfect INTP would not be seeking excitement, so they would end up with nerdy type adventures that might often go unnoticed such as getting into a new personality theory.

If INTJ implies low agreeableness and neuroticism, you will find that they are lacking social emotions from being I and are also low in things such as sympathy which are found under agreeableness and are low in negative emotions created by neuroticism. Being that they are emotionally open, they would be very aware of and unopposed to whatever emotions that do happen to experience, even though they probably wouldn't be experiencing intense emotions on a typical basis.

I am low openness when it comes to physical beauty such as depicted in art or in nature. It has to be really, really awesome to get me to notice. Still though, the interest and enjoyment doesn't last very long. What is involved with sensing other than using the five senses? My eyesight is perfectly fine, so you can't say there's something wrong with my senses.

A quick fix done in a new way would actual full under the realm of intellect because you're dealing with stuff that's realistic. As far as art goes, that's aesthetics and art talent. An imaginative artist might paint unrealistic stuff such as flying dolphins, where as an unimaginative one might paint a real dolphin as realistically as possible.
 

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Intuitives will always talk about sensors.
Thinkers will always talk about feelers.

People talk about what they are not, because others are their mirror.


I'm an intuitive and a sensor.
I'm a thinker and a feeler.

But then I'm also a functioning human being with no neurological defects.
 

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first off, I remember you starting this rediculously hateful and prejudiced thread before your name change, so I will NEVER be able to look at anything you say against sensors in a negative light in anything BUT a biased and rediculous manner :nono:

secondly, look at what types are most likely to write the tests, descriptions and the "research" on them... another bias stacked against sensors :sadbanana:

thirdly- you'd be kicked out for lack of research ability if this were a college course- while wikipedia is fun and you can learn things from it- it is NOT a valid research tool :rolli:

fourthly- you're failing to be open-minded about the definitions and are just going on what you read- NOT falling into being open there are you :nono: Have some balls and adapt the theories to what you see and experience- you can't take someone's half assed personality theory as the gospel truth- that's just based on THEIR observations and a bunch of self reported test scores- speaking from a social science research perspective there- you're on some seriously shaky quicksand and doomed to drown pretty quickly :newwink:

and let's not forget that there's more definitions of creativity than fantasy, more definitions of intellect than a stanford binet test, more definitions of adventurous than thinking of some groundbreaking idea and more definitions of emotionality than crying at movies or feeling "touched" by a work of art- the tests and definitions themselves need some work because they were written by someone who already HAD a bias in place... if you want to win followers to your idea you need to research it better and come up with something new :thelook:

and I'm with Jag here- EVERYONE falls on both sides of the dichotomy- it's a fucking PREFERENCE for goodness sake, not a rule! :steam:

*now going off to do yoga, in hopes of driving FFF out of my head and regaining a sense of mental peace*
 

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Intuitives will always talk about sensors.
Thinkers will always talk about feelers.

People talk about what they are not, because others are their mirror.

Such is the way of the universe.

I'm an intuitive and a sensor.
I'm a thinker and a feeler.

But then I'm also a functioning human being with no neurological defects.

and I'm with Jag here- EVERYONE falls on both sides of the dichotomy- it's a fucking PREFERENCE for goodness sake, not a rule! :steam:

Allow me to clarify:

Those who self-identify as thinkers will talk about feelers.
Those who self-identify as intuitives will talk about sensors.

They must protect what they take great pride in, for how can they retain their self-worth if they are a member of a club with geeks (or shall I say 'lamers') in it?
 

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^ sorry- wasn't talking to you there :)

of course there's always learning about the other types and trying to find a balance and work on the skills that they are missing as a manner of finding pride in themselves, but that would take some work :whistling:
 
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