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    Default your mbti type does not change!

    sticky this topic so people can stop talking about how their or someone else's type changed just because they cant type themselves right

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    Does your Type change?

    Short answer — no.

    According to Jung’s theory, our cognitive process preference is innate, somewhat like handedness. However, there are many factors that affect this preference. Dr. Linda Berens explains it thus:


    “In the very beginning was our Core Self-the self we were intended to be, the self that is in our Genes, our DNA. (Of course we can never really know what that is for sure until we have more research supporting a DNA basis!). But as we interacted with the environment, we developed an Adapted Self that may be either more or less consistent with the True Self. We also have a Contextual Self (or Selves) that represents our current behavior. It, too, might be in sync with our Core Selves or it may be quite different. That depends on what the situation at the time requires.” (Excerpted from Validating Type: What is True Type Anyway?)

    What this means is that our preference for certain Jungian cognitive processes is innate — our “Core Self”. So all INTJs, at their core, prefer Ni, then Te, then Fi, then Se.

    However, over time, we may become influenced by family, friends, community, school, etc., causing us to adapt to the use of less-preferred processes. For example, an INTJ raised by ISTJ parents in an ISTJ community might develop an adapted use of Si. In my own case, I’ve been a corporate trainer for over 30 years and I’ve adapted to using Fe in order to connect more effectively with my students.

    The contextual use of less-preferred processes arises based on the needs of the immediate environment. For example, when driving my car in an unfamiliar area, I might draw upon Se to be more alert to road signs and traffic conditions. When engaged in a brainstorming session at work, I might use Ne more that usual. You get the idea…

    Another factor that affects our cognitive process use is age. As theorized by Jung, and supported by Dr. Harold Grant’s research, we develop more proficiency with our less-preferred processes as we age. This development can make it seem like our type is changing, but all that’s happening is that we’re getting better at handling other processes. This change in proficiency is often reflected in type assessments, like the MBTI, which is one reason why I rarely use them professionally.

    Supposedly, we become reasonably well-balanced in our use of the four conscious processes by about age 50, and spend the rest of our lives getting in touch with the other four “Shadow” processes. Jung called this process “individuation” and said it was the highest goal of human psychological development.

    Regardless of all this growth and development, an INTJ will always be an INTJ inside — will always have a preference for Ni, then Te, etc. But there will be a sense of change, noticed both within and by others — that’s one of the fascinating things about studying the human psyche — it’s so dynamic!

    So I guess that’s a long-winded way of saying that your type does not change over time — but the way you use your cognitive processes does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by INTP View Post
    So I guess that’s a long-winded way of saying that your type does not change over time — but the way you use your cognitive processes does.
    Ok, but how can you really be sure what your type is then? Where is this "the very beginning" and how can we be sure that it really is the beginning? The preference use changes. The tests are not really helping, the descriptions neither, as the cognitive process with what you currently associate with and consider your dominant function might be just in the middle of "the change".

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    Eh.

    The research data seems spotty and self-referential. Specifically, the link between DNA and MBTI. Say, what? Oh, and the interior hyperlink is dead. Not that you can prevent that, but it depreciates credibility. I don't see any attempts to falsify premise, either.


    Not a very convincing account. Not by a long shot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sky is BLUE! View Post
    Ok, but how can you really be sure what your type is then? Where is this "the very beginning" and how can we be sure that it really is the beginning? The preference use changes. The tests are not really helping, the descriptions neither, as the cognitive process with what you currently associate with and consider your dominant function might be just in the middle of "the change".
    you can be sure about your type if you learn about yourself and mbti enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Night View Post
    Eh.

    The research data seems spotty and self-referential. Specifically, the link between DNA and MBTI. Say, what? Oh, and the interior hyperlink is dead. Not that you can prevent that, but it depreciates credibility. I don't see any attempts to falsify premise, either.


    Not a very convincing account. Not by a long shot.
    lol @ you for questioning the basics of mbti

    search the internet yourself if you want. every mbti professional says the same, this was just one site i decided to use.

    personally i wouldnt be so sure about the dna and mbti thing. But since dna tells how other parts of your body are built, why wouldnt it say how your brains are built too?

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    Quote Originally Posted by INTP View Post
    lol @ you for questioning the basics of mbti

    search the internet yourself if you want. every mbti professional says the same, this was just one site i decided to use.

    personally i wouldnt be so sure about the dna and mbti thing. But since dna tells how other parts of your body are built, why wouldnt it say how your brains are built too?
    5 stars!

    I like your inductive hypothesis at the end. I'd go with it. Dedicate yourself, INTP. Dedicate yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by INTP View Post
    you can be sure about your type if you learn about yourself and mbti enough.
    Can you?

    The first time you did your MBTI, you thought you were right.

    So how do you know this time, when you REALLY think you're right, that you're not similarly mistaken?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    Can you?

    The first time you did your MBTI, you thought you were right.

    So how do you know this time, when you REALLY think you're right, that you're not similarly mistaken?
    Exactly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    Can you?

    The first time you did your MBTI, you thought you were right.

    So how do you know this time, when you REALLY think you're right, that you're not similarly mistaken?
    Yeah! The first time I was really sure.
    But the second time was for realz.
    The third time I took it SRSLY.
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    emmmm. I like your brown sheep. I want to cuddle him and kiss his nose. He is cuuuuute. bbbbaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa........... ...........

    I buy that their are innate types-maybe 16 even. Maybe there is a perfect ideal functional order associated with each of the 16 types even-a "healthiest" form.

    But that is so malleable over time, throughout development, and modifiable due to social pressure-I dont expect that it is fully descriptive of the complexity that you will see in the world. People come in lots of flavors all blended together like smoothies.

    Also-I would be interested in understanding how susceptible different types are to external pressure. Ie-an Ne-dom is an incredibly malleable flexible creature while I suspect an Si dom might not be-thus the Ne-doms would be more influenced by the above concerns.

    (can I bury my toes in your sheep?)

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