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    Dreaming the life onemoretime's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lex Talionis View Post
    What do you mean by "no meaningful difference"? They are entirely different; I explained why.
    Both are exactly the same process. The difference is the standard of comparison.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lex Talionis View Post

    Ni takes in information and melds it into a shape, while Si only compares and stores data.
    Why the implicit Ni trumps Si?

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    Quote Originally Posted by teslashock View Post
    Why the implicit Ni trumps Si?
    Well, that was supposed to be an objective explanation, but I won't deny that in my opinion it does.
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    Quote Originally Posted by onemoretime View Post
    Both are exactly the same process. The difference is the standard of comparison.
    What!? They aren't the same process at all. Either elaborate or stop spouting nonsense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lex Talionis View Post
    What!? They aren't the same process at all. Either elaborate or stop spouting nonsense.
    I fear that if I elaborate, it will come across as either insulting or condescending. I'm trying to avoid that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by onemoretime View Post
    I fear that if I elaborate, it will come across as either insulting or condescending. I'm trying to avoid that.
    It doesn't matter if it's condescending. I assure you that I don't care enough about your personal opinion to be affected.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lex Talionis View Post
    What!? They aren't the same process at all. Either elaborate or stop spouting nonsense.
    I agree with onemoretime on this one. Ni and Si are actually pretty similar. They both gather external perceptions and internally organize these perceptions relative to the self, thereby making them personally meaningful (or personally lack meaning).

    Ni is more similar to Si than it is to any other function, that's for sure. Likewise, Si is more similar to Ni than it is to any other function. The two have their differences, clearly, but they're not in complete opposition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaguar View Post
    Your reading comprehension is literally, zero.
    Cloud, take your ENTJ hatred elsewhere.
    All you cry about in this forum are ENTJs and Enneagram 8's.
    And calling me an ESTJ isn't going to work.

    Get a grip on yourself.
    Well, Jaguar you are obviously confusing two issues here.

    You.

    I seen you post.

    there is nothing wrong with being a sensor and a SJ.



    I am wrong though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lex Talionis View Post
    Si is irrevocably different from Ni. They are not similar at all. Si seeks to remember sensory experiences, and adds value to those experiences, whereas Ni takes in information and draws conclusions and courses of action. Ni is about synthesizing information and creating a vision of the future, impelling us to realize goals and keeping us focused; Si is comparative and focuses solely on gauging data and information.

    Ni takes in information and melds it into a shape, while Si only compares and stores data
    Si remembers sensory experiences and draws conclusions.
    Ni takes information abstractly (not via the senses) and draws conclusions.

    Ni is about synthesizing information and creating a vision of the future.
    Si is about synthesizing information and creating a vision of the past, a frame of reference for the future. Both impel one to realize goals and keep you focused.

    Si is comparative, as is Ni, but Ni does it on an abstract level whereas Si does it on a concrete level.

    Ni takes in information and melds it into a shape as does Si. Why do you think SJs are often conservative?

    Si bases itself on the past and facts. If it's worked and is empirically based, then it's good enough to keep for the future.

    Ni bases itself on symbolic concepts since it gathers it's information abstractly and thus is focused on the facts' patterns rather than the actual facts. So it theorizes of what might be the best approach in the future based on such perceived patterns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by teslashock View Post
    I agree with onemoretime on this one. Ni and Si are actually pretty similar. They both gather external perceptions and internally organize these perceptions relative to the self, thereby making them personally meaningful (or personally lack meaning).
    That's like stating that lawnmowers and airplanes are the same because they both use fuel and have engines.
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