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    predicting people when provoking: it's often being intuitive about extroverted feeling. can be extended to prediction of other function. type is involved in the motivation. what reactions are you looking forward to, what reactions do you fear, what common understanding do you want to achieve ideally and why.

    posting totally weird and seemingly random pictures in your profile, also known as "egocryptic communication" (a fantasy word actually) is exciting to you, if you imagine the perceptions/interpretations/associations about you, that other people will "have", when discovering these images.

    unfortunately your predictions of their perception are doomed to be disappointed frequently, as there are those who have no conscious skills of subjective perception, thus no common sense that could be predicted.
    all they will think is WTF??? and that is hardly exciting, except from a standpoint of revenge like "you suck at perception, therefore i confused you by broatcasting total nonsense , now enjoy your confusion, you blind nut, and feel stupid about it" - a motive that seems too common in some users.

    i have been guilty of that as well, but usually i want to communicate meaningful things that can only be understood by few, who share some of my perceptive preferences. i am looking for the right english word. like "acquired taste", except for taste in the symbolical realm.

    i have also observed cases of a projection of this 'perception issue' in people who are no good at perception (J-dominant autists). it goes like this: "i suck at perception and never understand the views that other people share, therefore i take revenge by making up and communicating intentionally absurd perceptions so that people feel about me what i have to feel about them. alienation. lets see if i can be more frightening or disgusting to them, than they are too me."

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    Oh i can do intuition .. So i predict that not many people on this site will be able to give examples of personal intuitive experiences as you don't have them .. Thus you are all sensors.

    It's very easy to claim to have the magic 'N' .. But to give examples, well that is a different matter.

    Please prove my intuition wrong
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    Quote Originally Posted by saslou View Post
    Oh i can do intuition .. So i predict that not many people on this site will be able to give examples of personal intuitive experiences as you don't have them .. Thus you are all sensors.

    It's very easy to claim to have the magic 'N' .. But to give examples, well that is a different matter.

    Please prove my intuition wrong
    LOL.. seems you might be on to something here..

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    Sadly, I fail at Si. Nothing comes to mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by No Exit View Post
    Hmm .. well it was emotional not sensory.. I had the vision 1st then the deja vu.. not the other way around.. And when I remembered, I remembered the feeling first, then the details.
    The night I experinced the vision, what stood out was the emotional state and the impending feeling that it was coming. I already mentioned it would be easy to envision what the street would like in a winter state simply from experiencing winter my entire life. It was the emotion and it's intensity that overwhelmed me.. There was no precedent to compare..
    Thank you.
    and thanks for your example.. If wondering how your choices and descions effect others and how they veiw you is Ni.. I am loaded with the stuff
    Well, then maybe it was some sort of Fi tied up with Si memory. N is about abstract thoughts and ideas, not feelings invoked by objects or settings. I'm really not trying to shat on your experience, , but I am a bit of a cognitive function freak, and I like identifying functions and their characteristics.

    As an infp, your dom function would be Fi, with tert Si. Which is exactly how your experience sounds to me.

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    Maybe de ja vu is some sort of Fi/Si loop? Interesting..........
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    Quote Originally Posted by nanook View Post
    being intuitive about whats going on in general: asking for inner guidance, recognizing synchronicity. understanding how live works. too big of a topic to give a specific example. this original meaning of intuition is more like a stage of spiritual development and it's probably somewhat unrelated to typology. its the sort of intuition that people don't listen to. but to the degree you listen to it, it may have something to say about everything. its just to irregular to be typological function. example: my mother was lost. she has a bad case of alzheimers. there was absolutely no way to calculate her whereabouts. i knew where she was. it was a random place. i had no reason to know. i did consciously chose to not listen to it. i had a inner conflict about it. i decided to search town in a effective grid pattern instead. she was found by strangers at the random place i had in mind, initially.
    I agree that what No Exit is talking about is most likely not intuition in the typological sense. If anything, it would be more S-related as it is to do with perception of reality but beyond the limits of ordinary things you perceive, like nanook knowing where his/her(?) mother was. I can give an example: one night after having spent the evening with a friend, it was unusually late but I was still trying to go to sleep but couldn't because there was a strange energy bothering me. It was really strong like it wanted something that I couldn't sleep at all. I was desperately tired though, so I tried to make it go away or at least calm down by saying to it, "Let's go to sleep together, ok?" And then I could sleep. When I saw my friend again, I asked her if she had been thinking about me at X time that night. She said yes, that at that time she had really wanted to talk to me and wished she could but it was so late already. It turns out she went to sleep around the same time I did when I told the energy that we should both go to sleep.
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    i want to point out an apparent analogy between my second paragraph in posting #5 and no exit's very first posting.

    Quote Originally Posted by no exit
    My then partner and I were walking down our street, it was late summer or early autumn. The leaves had not yet fallen and the grass was still green. It was night time. I suddenly stopped as I was overcome by a vision of seeing the street in winter. I was also overcome by a very strong emotional reaction. I am alone.. I feel very alone.. meaning not just walking alone.. but alone in spirit and heartbroken.
    Quote Originally Posted by nanook
    you know there is something wrong with your theory but you can not justify or explain how it is wrong. something in you seems to want to believe the opposite. you may have a clear idea about the other version, but cant justify it either.
    your psyche is "abusing" the topic to communicate something else to you.
    Quote Originally Posted by no exit
    6 weeks later on the day the 1st snow fell I was walking down that very street very heartbroken and alone..
    The details were uncanny in their similarity and my emotional state was exact .
    In fact I noticed the feeling before I made the connection to what I was seeing, and then made the connection to 6 weeks earlier.
    Quote Originally Posted by nanook
    it wants to maximize the view and include more and more of the subject and thus embrace the unpredictable, the future of understanding.
    this image or map is essentially what we are.
    possibly Ni about Fe versus Ni about Te

    ironically seeing the analogy of the paragraphs (or reading the analogy into them) might be in itself an example for introverted perception, that is perception where we are concerned with what it means to the subject more than with what it "actually" is. we see an arbitrary object in a different light, and the difference is not so much about "the object being actually different" as it is about the prediction of our development, the development of our relationship with it. its a different self of tomorrow, that will see things in a different way, relate to them differently, compared to the known self.

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    What? I my post was deleted??!?!? Clearly this forum has no appreciation for fine art! A cultureless derelict!!! I ought not even attempt to fathom the simplicity of your standards, for fear of salivating over my own pantaloons!

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    Is this the definition of intuition we are using? (ala dictionary.com):

    intuition?
    1. direct perception of truth, fact, etc., independent of any reasoning process; immediate apprehension.

    Please let's be sure we are all going to be discussing the same thing.

    That would be more like "just knowing the Truth" (possibly Ni) or are we looking at "outside the box /connect the dots thinking" too (possibly Ne)?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeaceBaby View Post
    Is this the definition of intuition we are using? (ala dictionary.com):

    intuition?
    1. direct perception of truth, fact, etc., independent of any reasoning process; immediate apprehension.

    Please let's be sure we are all going to be discussing the same thing.

    That would be more like "just knowing the Truth" (possibly Ni) or are we looking at "outside the box /connect the dots thinking" too (possibly Ne)?

    ??
    My intuition tells me that we are talking about the MBTI version of intuition which may or may not be relevant to the popular understanding of intuition - which is frequently associated with psychic phenomena and being able to see through womens' clothing. (In other words, you may not want to know what else my intuition tells me.)

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