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View Poll Results: Which functions are easier to understand?

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  • Extrovert: Xe functions

    3 10.71%
  • Extrovert: Xi functions

    2 7.14%
  • Extrovert: No discernible difference

    2 7.14%
  • Introvert: Xe functions

    3 10.71%
  • Introvert: Xi functions

    6 21.43%
  • Introvert: No discernible difference

    7 25.00%
  • All cognitive functions are nonsensical

    5 17.86%
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Thread: Grasping Functions

  1. #51
    Paragon Gone Wrong Array OrangeAppled's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seymour View Post
    I do think Ni is difficult to understand entirely as an Ne-user. To me, Ne seems expansive and continual... it's always generating possibilities that lead away from the current focus of attention.

    Ni seems to be more connective, sudden and intermittent (at least to me). It suddenly links things from different contexts together, showing a pattern and a meaning that wasn't apparent before. I'm reminded of these trash sculptures:

    Where a seemingly random assemblage of junk suddenly has pattern and meaning when seen from the right perspective. Different pieces of information suddenly align and what appeared difficult and messy suddenly makes sense.
    Quote Originally Posted by Seymour View Post
    I was careful to say "to me." I'm an Ne user, so my grasp of Ni is clearly going to be more tenuous, and it's going likely be less reliable (assuming I have access to it at all). My only real understanding can come from applying written descriptions to introspection, so I'm not going to have the same perspective as an Ni-dom. So, to me, Ne is constantly generating things, but Ni needs a kind of detachment, a waiting emptiness to fill. An Ni-dom probably has a different perspective.

    Maybe it's unfair to say it always leads away, but because it is associative it does tend to lead from one association to another. It typically moves further and further away from the starting point unless some pruning or redirection happens. One can sometimes see this in an Ne-heavy conversation, where not only are there digressions, but the digressions have digressions and the original starting topic is never returned to (if anyone bothers to remember it).

    In contrast, Ni seems more likely to incorporate the current focus into a larger perspective or chain of associations.

    They are both expansive, but I think Ne generates options from the point of focus, while Ni expands the perspective to see the point in context.

    Perhaps intermittent wasn't the best word. It does, to me, seem more bursty, with a sudden insight connecting a whole chain of associations and placing things into a larger perspective. Ne seems more continuous, with each chunk of perceived association smaller. Ni seems more inherently cross contextual (although clearly both can associate between contexts).

    Again, I'm not an Ni-dom, so I don't know if they perceive Ni as being more continuous or not.

    Both of these posts were helpful....

    I've read people calling Ne "divergent" and Ni "convergent", and that was something which also helped differentiate the two. From that view, Ne is like a tree with branches extending outward in many directions, and Ni is a confluence, where many streams of thought meet into one larger body.

    I can see that concept relating to the ideas above. I've certainly always seen Ni as being more "focused" than Ne, and NJs come across as much more composed than an NP.
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    Diabolical Array Kasper's Avatar
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    Introverted v extroverted intuition

    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    Btw, Trinity, sorry for kinda hi-jacking your thread with all this Ni-related talk...
    All good, talk about anything function related that you wish to, I'm mostly interested in seeing if there is a pattern in how people vote.

  3. #53
    Nickle Iron Silicone Array Charmed Justice's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaguar View Post
    I just sucked everything into my skull at once. Lol.
    The visuals, the meaning, all came at once?

    Quote Originally Posted by Happy Puppy View Post
    I cant read the intent of Fe facial expressions. Like in that instance I thought the guy was gay-she said he thought I was totally hot. An ENTP I thought felt emo-instead that look means he wants to hook up. It's real odd. But Te/Fi users-I know exactly what they need/want/are thinking. I can just look at them and respond innately.

    I didnt actually try to use Fi to read/comfort people until this last year honestly. I would watch them and pick up on the subtle changes, but not do anything. Mostly as I always hung with entps who dont want you doing anything-When they get tweaky-you just give them space.

    But given I can sort the Fi/Te users now-it's like magic. I know exactly what they need innately.
    That's incredibly interesting. I wouldn't know a difference if I saw one. I suppose I read body language and facial cues enough, but how are you deciphering an Fi "look" from an "Fe" one?
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