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    I don't know edcoaching... from my personal experience, I found that I work better with ENTPs than with INTJs too. Like INTJs deal better with ENFPs. To me, it seems to support same direction dominant & tertiary as oppose to opposing direction.

    If you look at other personality traits, you see that like-minded people get along better than people who are different. This appears time and time again in numerous psychology studies. So it seems to me that INTJs are more similar to ENFPs than INFJs. I'll chalk that up to dominant & tertiary function matching. Otherwise it doesn't make much sense that Ni Te Fe (INTJ) and Ni Fe Te (INFJ) aren't more similar than compared to Ne Fi Ti (ENFP).

    Of course, I'm speaking as somebody with no professional MBTI experience and basing this on pure deduction.
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    I personally don't think INTJs are more similar to ENFPs than INFJs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sytpg View Post
    I personally don't think INTJs are more similar to ENFPs than INFJs.
    their rationale is, which is where this discussion has gone. but as far as their behavior and the way they relate to others- no, of course not. infjs and enfps crave human (emotional) connection far more intensely/continuously. they want to spread their inspiration and help others actualize the potential they (the nf) see in them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by purplesunset View Post
    Because doing so would admit the shortcomings of the current functions order theory and blow up the whole MBTI party.
    Actually I'm tickled pink that edcoaching and others are saying some personality theorists are now saying stuff beyond the second function very well might not be set in stone and varies by individual based on nurture, experiences, etc. I've never bought the strict function order crap and it's never made sense to me; I've just kind of stopped my little rants on this forum about it because I've ceased to care. haha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the state i am in View Post
    their rationale is, which is where this discussion has gone.
    What exactly do you mean?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sytpg View Post
    What exactly do you mean?
    Function order preference

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    Quote Originally Posted by fusetah View Post
    Function order preference
    Sharing two functions? By that token even ISTJs are more similar to ENFPs than INFJs. And they are polar opposites.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nightning View Post
    I don't know edcoaching... from my personal experience, I found that I work better with ENTPs than with INTJs too. Like INTJs deal better with ENFPs. To me, it seems to support same direction dominant & tertiary as oppose to opposing direction.

    If you look at other personality traits, you see that like-minded people get along better than people who are different. This appears time and time again in numerous psychology studies. So it seems to me that INTJs are more similar to ENFPs than INFJs. I'll chalk that up to dominant & tertiary function matching. Otherwise it doesn't make much sense that Ni Te Fe (INTJ) and Ni Fe Te (INFJ) aren't more similar than compared to Ne Fi Ti (ENFP).

    Of course, I'm speaking as somebody with no professional MBTI experience and basing this on pure deduction.
    Actually the research going all the way back to Mary McCaulley (the psychologist who teamed with Myers in developing the actual MBTI) says that while it takes longer for people with differences in type preferences to figure out how to work together, type-diverse teams make better decisions than type-alike groups. Harder to have group-think take over reasoning...

    And any two types can get along famously. Just all people can't make constructive use of differences
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sytpg View Post
    What exactly do you mean?
    rationale = same judging functions.

    and you mentioning duality makes sense, they are the same functions in reverse order. but the lack of perceptual interest makes communication more difficult and rely on rationale even more to bridge the gap explicitly rather than relying on unpsoken experience.

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