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    Quote Originally Posted by highlander29 View Post

    I would not jump to conclusions without reading it.
    He has posted online for years. I already know what he thinks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaguar View Post
    He has posted online for years. I already know what he thinks.
    Yes, I understand but isn't there a difference between posting online and a coherent organized piece of work?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JocktheMotie View Post
    I've found the "best" [if there is such a thing] way to type people quickly is to use Keirsey's abstract/concrete and utilitarian/cooperative dichotomies in language and disposition. Things like "he likes science" or "she likes to dance and write poetry" for me have always been really shitty methods that I've had to shake, since the newcomer can get confused easily.

    However, it still won't be perfect because people have the advantage of knowing their own mental processes over you, so all you're seeing is the exhibited behavior and not necessarily the subconscious cognitive tendencies that lead to it.

    People can barely type themselves, typing others without extensive personal knowledge can be pretty much impossible.
    + 5 FTW

    The majority of my "wrong typings" have been driven by trying to use functions ON OTHER PEOPLE (whose thoughts we cant hear! )

    When someone thinks Te in their head, it might look SeTi. When someone thinks Ni in their head, it might look like NeTi etc etc etc ad infinitum...

    I like to use initiating/responding, directing/informing, structure/motive pragmatic/affiliative to determine their interaction style and their temperament. When you overlap the two, you end up with a type. Its the only way to type someone without actually talking to them about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Babylon Candle View Post
    I like to use initiating/responding, directing/informing, structure/motive pragmatic/affiliative to determine their interaction style and their temperament. When you overlap the two, you end up with a type. Its the only way to type someone without actually talking to them about it.
    I'm kinda slow. What would this correspond to then?
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    Quote Originally Posted by highlander29 View Post
    Yes, I understand but isn't there a difference between posting online and a coherent organized piece of work?
    Little Britney Spears could do better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaguar View Post
    It's not half as bad as this nonsense you wrote about "deplorable" SJs: .
    Jaguar, you're just a troll who has nearly nothing to contribute to any thread. Pipe down.



    Quote Originally Posted by Jaguar View Post
    [Anyone who would write comments like that has no business even dealing with typology, much less writing a book on the subject.
    The prejudice is palpable.
    Check the date of the post. I hold nearly none of the views on typology that I've held in 2007. However, those conclusions are well entailed by Keirsey's method of attributing personality qualities to people based on their type.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whatever View Post
    Anyone else have similar stories to make me feel better about being wrong?
    There are some people who I think are really hard to type. So, I'm certain of a couple of the dichotomies, but not on the others. In those cases I just leave it as an 'unknown', and I'm starting to decide if it's that hard to figure out, well, frankly it doesn't matter. (and it doesn't matter a huge amount in the big picture anyway!)

    My aunt and uncle are ISxP's. I leave it at that. And, they'll never be taking the test, nor do I feel it necessary to show it to them, so I'll never know.

    And the husband of one of my best friends.... I have no earthly idea, honestly, outside of the E. I go back and forth between any of the ExxP's, and ENFJ. haha. My best guess would be ENFP. He is E for certain, and I'm reasonably sure of the F (obviously not 100% though), and would choose P over J, but J isn't out of the question.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aphrodite-gone-awry View Post
    I'm kinda slow. What would this correspond to then?
    I'll give ya the quick version:

    1. Determine the interaction style:
    --initiating or responding?
    --directing or informing?
    In charge - Initiating and Directing - ENFJ/ESTJ/ESTP/ENTJ
    Get things going - Initiating and Informing - ENFP/ESFJ/ESFP/ENTP
    Chart the course - Responding and Directing - INFJ/ISTJ/ISTP/INTJ
    Behind the scenes - Responding and Informing - INFP/ISFJ/ISFP/INTP

    2. Determine the temperament:
    --Structure or Motive?
    --Affiliative or Pragmatic?
    NF -- Affiliative and Motive
    NT -- Pragmatic and Structure
    SP -- Pragmatic and Motive
    SJ -- Affiliative and Structure

    It then forms a grid, and you can overlap your answers from #1 and #2 to get a type.

    It helps address some of the issues that function typing other people usually mess up: NFJs are the directive F's (when some incorrectly believe Fe to be the ultimate pleaser function), the STJs are affiliative (when the Te nature might mistakenly lead some to believe that they are pragmatists).

    I think its best not to think in VVVtheseVVV terms and just convert at the end (helps remove bias):

    Roughly:
    initiating = E
    responding = I

    Directing = TJ, STP, NFJ
    Informing = NFP, SFP, SFJ, NTP

    Motive = SP/NF
    Structure = SJ/NT

    Affiliaitive = SJ/NF
    Pragmatic = SP/NT

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    What the hell is folk typology?

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    ^oh, well, it's simple then^

    i'll just print this out and make a cheat sheet to pull out next time I'm doing campfire typing.
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