Fundamentally I think the same foundation is there. It just so happens that my girl is IEI and an INFP (although she doesn't at all relate to the description of the INFP), and I'm an SLE and ENTJ, which means we're compatible in MBTI - ENTJ/INFP - and socionics; we're duals.
Originally Posted by BlackCat
You would probably have better luck asking this on a socionics forum, you would get some real answers there.
Originally Posted by simulatedworld
If you're an INFP, your dual is ESTP, not ESTJ.
In socionics the type that shares only your last letter but not the first three is your "relationship of duality."
The type that differs on all four letters is called your "conflicting relationship."
Ehhhhh. Try not to apply socionics concepts to MBTI; it doesn't really work. For example, I get varying results as ESTJ, ENTJ and whatever. But I'm an SLE. My dual is IEI. Said dual could in MBTI be "a bit more J" and thus be an INFJ. Or they could still be an INFP. Just because you type as SEI in socionics doesn't mean you're definitely ISFP in MBTI (nor does it necessarily mean you're an ISFJ who has done "the j/p flip). It's possible - even likely, but it isn't necessity.
Why would INFP = INFj? The functions in socionics aren't really related to what Jung put. They just basically took the names and letters and made another system. Most INFPs are INFp. If you read the quadra descriptions, then you would probably not agree with Delta.
Yeah, I'm INFp/IEI in socionics, which is Ni Fe. I try not to let it make my head hurt.
Funny thing is, I've gotten along smashingly with ESTPs, off the bat. Then it turns ugly....occasionally, really ugly.
My ex-business partner is ESTP. If she got ran over by a truck, I'd throw a party .
"Charlotte sometimes dreams a wall around herself. But it's always with love - So much love it looks like everything else. Charlotte Sometimes - So far away, glass sealed and pretty." - The Cure
I'm a socionics INFj so my duality would be ESTj. I think my younger brother might be an ESTj, but I'm going to have to read up on the description. When we are just hanging out we get along like milk and cookies. If we are actually trying to accomplish something we get along like a Type A executive dragging a sulking toddler through nettle field on his leg.
FWIW, I have a very happy, affectionate relationship with my husband who is an INTj. Some of the Look-a-like description fits us very well, this does, at least:
Look-a-like partners do not feel any danger from the other partner. The strong sides of the partners are different in the such a way that almost any conversations between them always fall into the area of the confidence of only one of the partners. Look-a-like partners also have similar problems which makes them feel rather sympathetic towards each other instead of being critical of each other's vulnerabilities.
Understanding between partners is usually good. Collaboration between them may be very fruitful especially if partners feel a mutual attraction.
Arguments in Look-a-like relations are not common practice. The partners usually try to help each other, or at least feel when their partner requires some form of assistance. However, in many cases the help is not effective enough because partners have similar problems.
These relations can normally bring a feeling of satisfaction from interaction with an equal and not boring partner.
OTOH, we haven't really experienced a lot of:
When partners loose their feeling of sympathy for each other through anger or any other reason, they can apply pressure to their partner's vulnerabilities. This can sometimes be really unexpected and unpleasant for both partners.
It would be out of bounds for us to do something like that. We try to be fair with each other.
And I'm not sure exactly what this means:
Partners do not have anything against each other but also nothing for which to struggle.
I mean, life is a struggle -- raising the kids, paying the bills, fixing stuff that breaks, etc but we don't really struggle a lot with one another. We did a little more of that early on but we have most of those conflicts pretty well smoothed out, at least for the last several years.
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I'd like to hear the arguments against that notion, as I've been wanting to write a thread promoting it but don't understand what other people's reservations are.
J/P determines your function projection strongly. For instance:
INFP = Fi, Ne, Si, Te
INFJ = Ni, Fe, Ti, Se
INFP = Fi, Ne, Si, Te
ISFP = Fi, Se, Ni, Te
if you're INFx (x representing 50/50 ambiguity) you're basically contradicting your type entirely. The 'x' isn't saying "well I'm not sure if I prefer spontaneity to planning", it's saying, "don't pay attention to the first three letters because they don't matter now anyway." P and J seals the deal more than any other letter (if you're following the rules, anyway).