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    Quote Originally Posted by greed View Post
    Maybe a Te user would take or leave the theory as it is, rather than try to refine it as a Ti user would.




    The point is that this Te description is inaccurate in the first place. The only standard that Te users seem to be placing on the system is that it should match reality. I don't think that's too much to ask.
    Yes, because Te wants to use it for a goal and if doesnt they cant. Ti on the other hand can mold the system and give and take and play with it as the its not a tool in the same sense as it is to Te.

    Te wants a wrench to turn a nut, Ti says screw it, I can use pliers as long as while I turn it it does not slip. If you tell a Te to use pliers on a nut you better be prepared to hear why it wont work.

    edit: now when you bring in Fi, Fi will say, I feel like pliers may work, so it goes against Te. Or a Te user brought donw to Fi, "this will frickin work, comon, squeeze harder, crap, stripped the head, where my drill(pliers go flying across room)" Now Ti will be "ok head is stripping, have nothing else, lets try until its stripped then grab a drill" :yim_rolling_on_the_
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    Quote Originally Posted by VagrantFarce View Post

    My point is that Fi/Te users tend to regard "systems" as external, and so see things like the MBTI - a system that they interpret as something thattries to tell you how to think, feel and behave - as limiting and arbitrary.
    Once again, your post is bollocks.
    It is you telling people how they think. Not MBTI.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaguar View Post
    Once again, your post is bollocks.
    It is you telling people how they think. Not MBTI.
    Would you mind briefly summarizing your objections to MBTI/typology for us?
    If you could be anything you want, I bet you'd be disappointed--am I right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by poki View Post
    Yes, because Te wants to use it for a goal and if doesnt they cant. Ti on the other hand can mold the system and give and take and play with it as the its not a tool in the same sense as it is to Te.

    Te wants a wrench to turn a nut, Ti says screw it, I can use pliers as long as while I turn it it does not slip. If you tell a Te to use pliers on a nut you better be prepared to hear why it wont work.
    Ehhhh forgive me but that's just being dumb, it doesn't have much to do with our main function...
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    Quote Originally Posted by simulatedworld View Post
    The categories are constantly updated and refined to match reality more closely. Every time new information comes up that contradicts the old understanding, the system is amended to reflect it.

    That's what this whole forum is for--discussing and refining the categories as we continue to study their relationship to reality..
    Right. That's what should be going on, and it seems that the OP is doing so.

    So which part of what BlackCat stated implies that Te-users are holding the descriptions in the OP to inappropriate standards? Because that is the only standard that he implicitly noted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaguar View Post
    It is you telling people how they think. Not MBTI.
    lol, no I'm not!

    Methinks someone doesn't know what Introverted Judgement illustrates.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG View Post
    Ehhhh forgive me but that's just being dumb, it doesn't have much to do with our main function...
    yeah, sorry, I am stereotyping.
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    Quote Originally Posted by simulatedworld View Post
    Would you mind briefly summarizing your objections to MBTI/typology for us?
    I don't summarize the obvious.

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    That's what this whole forum is for--discussing and refining the categories as we continue to study their relationship to reality.
    What is reality to one person is not reality to another.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VagrantFarce View Post
    Someone doesn't know what Introverted Judgement illustrates.
    So you posted a potential definition of Te, for consumption and so that it can be corrected by others. And immediately Te people start fighting/shoving back about what your intentions were.

    ...That part, at least, matches your theory.

    I still do feel a bit muddled, though, on exactly what Te complaints would be about MBTI, or whether your concept is accurate.
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    I'm getting the feeling this thread is going to turn into another fine illustration of how Ji/Pe and Pi/Je types don't think the same way.

    In which case, I apologize in advance.
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