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    Quote Originally Posted by VagrantFarce View Post
    Extraverted Thinking is taking control of your surrounding environment by enforcing efficiency, procedure, structure, maximizing goals etc. Introverted Thinking is more gestalt - it's a sense of knowing how your environment breaks down into its separate variables, allowing you to make decisions on-the-fly.
    This is pretty off the mark. Te is not about "enforcing" anything or taking control. It's about how you internally assess a situation.

    OP: have you read this definition instead?

    Extraverted Thinking

    I think this part is helpful:

    extraverted Thinking helps us easily follow someone else’s logic, sequence, or organization.
    and this:

    Empirical thinking is at the core of extraverted Thinking when we challenge someone’s ideas based on the logic of the facts in front of us or lay out reasonable explanations for decisions or conclusions made, often trying to establish order in someone else’s thought process.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 21% View Post
    This is an interesting thread. I don't seem to 'get' Te either. I think I understand Fe and Fi, and I guess Ti. But from all the descriptions that I have read, I just can't separate Te from 'planning skills'. I know it's not supposed to be that way. I've been around ENTJs and ESTJs, and I noticed that their 'thinking' was somehow different from mine, but I can't put my finger on what exactly was different.

    Then, what's even more confusing is how T and F functions are judging functions. I can see how we can use feelings to judge things:

    Fe: I feel this is right (based on social values -- it's actually more complicated than that, but let's keep it simple for now)
    Fi: I feel this is right (based on internal values/beliefs)

    But when it comes to Thinking...

    Ti: I think this is right (based on "this is how the world works" / internal principles)
    Te: I think this is right (based on... ?)
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    Quote Originally Posted by JustHer View Post
    This is pretty off the mark. Te is not about "enforcing" anything or taking control. It's about how you internally assess a situation.
    Of course it is! It's all about efficiency, organization...the whole point is to rally your environment toward identifying and maximizing measureable goals through empiricity and procedure. Even the link you shared points to this.
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    I think people need to realize how essentially detached extraverted thinking is. Extraverted thinking is really just a thought process. It doesn't force action. You act based on your thoughts. Extraverted Sensing tells you to move along with what's happening. Extraverted Thinking tells you to stop and assess the situation. You act based on each thought, just in a different manner.

    Make sure you understand what Introversion and Extraversion move us to do rather than what each function moves us to do. You can easily misunderstand a function just by associating it with actions that are merely a person using extraversion as their first priority.


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    Quote Originally Posted by psyche View Post
    This is very interesting. So maybe what I'm doing is using extraverted sensing? I'm expressing my iNtuition, which is internal (mulling over theoretical constructs and relational dynamics, ideas and systems and philosophies) through concrete means. I'm making the intangible tangible.

    I'm definitely an NF, and almost definitely a J. But the E/I has always been in question. When I test, I type as one or the other about 50% of the time. I relate to descriptions of eNFj but not to iNFj so I've assumed that I'm an extravert. But if I'm extraverting Sensing, and I'm a J, does that make me more likely to be an introvert or extravert?

    Thanks!
    Extroverted Sensing is ENFJ and ENTJs tertiary function. So most likely extrovert. You'll get a lot of the practical part from Fe also.
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    Quote Originally Posted by psyche View Post
    This is very interesting. So maybe what I'm doing is using extraverted sensing? I'm expressing my iNtuition, which is internal (mulling over theoretical constructs and relational dynamics, ideas and systems and philosophies) through concrete means. I'm making the intangible tangible.
    Well, it's undoubtedly NOT strictly extraverted sensing by itself. But, for example, if you prefer ENFJ, then you get a boost from taking part in physical things, being in the environment and seeing and doing. Se as tertiary. So actively *physically* doing things, like writing or talking to people is going to be normal and comfortable. And then, yeah, the intuition becomes expressible. And mixed in at a basic level with the intuition will be introverted thinking.

    On the other hand, if you prefer INFJ, then you get your boost from theorising and discussing. Straight up Ni+Ti.

    I wouldn't know exactly how to tell the difference between INFJ and ENFJ in these terms. Perhaps it would appear in who and when you chose to speak to.

    Wild speculation: INFJ would be the more theoretically inclined of the two types, prone to more enjoyment in the theoretical, and ENFJ would be the more managerial? (That's actually not a useful speculation, in fact. Both types will enjoy the theoretical to some extent, and individual variation will undoubtedly be come into play, so that say an academically minded ENFJ would seem less managerial than a bossy INFJ... or something.)

    The fact that both types focus their intuition with extraverted feeling makes them... dunno, what's a good phrase, "operational in the world"? Capable of thinking objectively about outcomes and requirements and making plans. But like is sort of being pointed out by everyone else, the difference between that and extraverted thinking lies in the content, or perhaps the focus.

    (So the actual difference between Te and Fe is focus and affect? Holy crap! The conflicts between the two functions are IRL so very disturbing sometimes, and yet, formally, the functions are really similar. Ma Gawd.)


    It is actually really interesting, working out what people mean when they say "I'm thinking". The term "think" seems to cover the normal operation of a lot of different functions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by raz View Post
    I think people need to realize how essentially detached extraverted thinking is. Extraverted thinking is really just a thought process. It doesn't force action.
    Yep Yep!



    Quote Originally Posted by VagrantFarce View Post
    Of course it is! It's all about efficiency, organization...the whole point is to rally your environment toward identifying and maximizing measureable goals through empiricity and procedure. Even the link you shared points to this.
    Uhh, read again.

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    Thanks for all your feedback.

    I think I just don't understand the concept of introverting and extraverting functions well enough to follow some of the comments here.....it sounds very abstract and I just have never been able to get a true sense of this aspect of the MBTI.

    In time, perhaps...

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    Te is concerned with the object. Facts. Logic. Order. Sequence. Organisation.

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