Public Service Announcement to Paranoid Fi doms

[OrangeAppled]

This is funny and strange considering INFPs are one of the most common types to become fascinated by MBTI - not just a casual interest, but to the point of joining these message boards, reading book after book on it, and theorizing and analyzing it all ad nauseam. Not to mention, Isabel Myers was Fi-dom!!!

Besides Mystic Tater and Victor, what Fi-doms here are crusading against MBTI? Most of us eat it up and ask for seconds.

There are several other members with blank types who make comments about MBTI being "bad" or whatever, and it's clear they are not Fi-dom, or even Fi-aux. Perceptions are skewed....

 

[Laurie]

Two INFPs got me involved in MBTI.

It's all their fault I'm here.

INFPs get blamed for every emotional outburst anyone has ever had.
MBTI gets blamed for people being unhappy with themselves.
It's awesome.

 

[nanook]

the appropriate response might get me banned
probably not worth it.

 

[MacGuffin]

the appropriate response might get me banned
probably not worth it.

Don't be so paranoid.

 

[Eric B]

This is funny and strange considering INFPs are one of the most common types to become fascinated by MBTI - not just a casual interest, but to the point of joining these message boards, reading book after book on it, and theorizing and analyzing it all ad nauseam. Not to mention, Isabel Myers was Fi-dom!!!

Besides Mystic Tater and Victor, what Fi-doms here are crusading against MBTI? Most of us eat it up and ask for seconds.

I think the thread is specifically aimed at those two (and any others like them who might be out there), and not all Fi doms.

 

[simulatedworld]

I think the thread is specifically aimed at those two (and any others who might be out there), and not all Fi doms.

+1

That probably won't stop them from taking it personally, though.

You know what they say..

What you hate in others is what you dislike in yourself.

I think I'm gonna take your username's advice on this one.

 

[Totenkindly]

the appropriate response might get me banned
probably not worth it.

Who knows? It might be.

 

[Kalach]

In some ways I think it might upset people to realize that people are complex, unpredictable, and there is not a way to define and predict that behavior with much certainty. MBTI provides a way to systematically think of people and so it can be hard to let go of or to consider other possibilities. MBTI labels or not, people are chaotic. We all have to deal with that fact.

Change the x to j already.

The F perspective is F. It's part of the system that F stuff be validated rather than questioned. So this theme of complexity and chaos. Which is to say, the analytical probe officially stops at the level of "F exists".

But for example, the yen for authenticity is a predictable component of this chaos. As is the wish for validation. As is the fear of abstract modelling. Abstract modelling neither validates nor authenticates. At least not directly. In fact it seems to dis-authenticate. It can get to seeming anti-F. And in that sense, Victor and Mystic are right: putting one's faith in the abstract system takes one too far away from reality. Especially if one's reality is already that far away from depersonalised truth.

 

[Amargith]

Good question, Elaur.

While I can't identify with the exact character of SW's Fi complaints, I can offer my own frustration at having my internal emotional states erroneously dissected and examined by a third party.

Not that this necessarily aligns with an Fi-specific complaint, but when it happens, it often rapidly changes the context of the conversation when my (presumed) anger over a given topic is mistaken for a subconscious, quasi-Freudian projection over some unexplored angst.

It seems terribly pretentious and judgmental. What's more, it sidebars the conversation into a weird psychological space that rarely resembles the fundamental point we'd been discussing up to that point. Talk about obfuscation.

It's a real buzz kill.

This.

 

[OrangeAppled]

I think the thread is specifically aimed at those two (and any others who might be out there), and not all Fi doms.

That probably won't stop them from taking it personally, though.

Then why not address it to them personally?

This thread is as ridiculous as the anti MBTI one.

 

[entropie]

Yin and Yang epic fail

 

[CrystalViolet]

No angry Fi fueled flare-up yet? I'd oblige, but I'm too busy laughing.

 

[Thalassa]

I just want to throw in that Simulated World actually has some very astute observations about Fi, I've learned a great deal from him, and the comparisons others made to similar problems with Ti are also valid.

Being afraid of being boxed in by evil Te has something to do with the inferior Te in IxFPs.

The problem is, of course, that the people who need to hear it most quickly dismiss it simply because he doesn't present it in a palatable, let-me-tiptoe-around-your-feelings format.

 

[Wonkavision]

No, typology is not an evil conspiracy intended to subvert your right to individuality and self-expression.

No, any and all attempts to categorize anything about your belief system or behavioral tendencies do not constitute a malevolent international plot to rid the world of original ideas.

No, you're not so extraordinarily unique and special and unusual that your personality automatically defies all forms categorization and analysis.

No, typology is not turning the world into nineteen eighty-fucking-four.

No, studying typology does not ruin your ability to feel emotion or appreciate others on a personal basis.

Yeah, we get it already--you're so special and original and creative that you can't possibly be boxed into one of sixteen arbitrarily distinguished categories [no matter how broadly defined they might be]! Yeah, we get it--you have paranoid delusions that any such categorization will turn everyone into robotic slaves to the evil Te agenda to squelch all forms of self-expression.

And yes, everyone realizes how emotionally threatened you are by any attempt at categorizing your personality and realizes you're having a histrionic meltdown over nothing when you make these kinds of outlandish claims.

The solution, you ask? Grow up, stop taking everything as a deliberate attack on your super special unique feelings, and get real.


Your friend,

simulatedworld

Sorry paranoid Fi doms ---you KNOW I love you...

I REALLY DO....I SWEAR.

But.....

Yeah......

+1

 

[simulatedworld]

Then why not address it to them personally?

This thread is as ridiculous as the anti MBTI one.

It's addressed to paranoid Fi doms. If you're not a paranoid Fi dom, you have no reason to believe it's directed at you.

And please, this thread is a far cry from the ludicrous conspiracy theories we've heard from them. Good try, but no.

The problem is, of course, that the people who need to hear it most quickly dismiss it simply because he doesn't present it in a palatable, let-me-tiptoe-around-your-feelings format.

You're not too bad at astute observations yourself!

 

[ajblaise]

Besides Victor, what other similar paranoid Fi dom members are you talking about? One or two others? Maybe you're paranoid about the number of paranoid anti-typology Fi's on the forum.

 

[entropie]

Maybe he cant tell a lunatic from a drunk lunatic, which can in the end decide about life !

 

[simulatedworld]

Besides Victor, what other similar paranoid Fi dom members are you talking about? One or two others? Maybe you're paranoid about the number of paranoid anti-typology Fi's on the forum.

I don't recall making any comment whatsoever on the number of anti-typology Fi's on the forum, actually. I simply wrote a post addressing them, however many there may be.

Want to quote wherever you imagined me saying that they somehow constitute a majority of Fi-ers?

They don't; however, every single "omg MBTI is an evil satanic conspiracy!!!!!!!" post I've seen has come from an Fi dom. I don't consider this coincidence given the huge value Fi-ers place on self-expression and how threatened they are by any perceived attempt to box them in.

 

[ajblaise]

I don't recall making any comment whatsoever on the number of anti-typology Fi's on the forum, actually. I simply wrote a post addressing them, however many there may be.

Seems like this is just about Victor. It would have helped if you had one or two others to point at.

Want to quote wherever you imagined me saying that they somehow constitute a majority of Fi-ers?

Want to quote were I said you think they constitute a majority of Fi-ers? I just said you are paranoid about the number of them.

They don't; however, every single "omg MBTI is an evil satanic conspiracy!!!!!!!" post I've seen has come from an Fi dom. I don't consider this coincidence given the huge value Fi-ers place on self-expression and how threatened they are by any perceived attempt to box them in.

INFPs can definitely be big on conspiracy theories. I've known several IRL like that. Never seen an ISFP big on it though.

 

[simulatedworld]

Seems like this is just about Victor. It would have helped if you had one or two others to point at.

Check out Mystic Tater's "Why MBTI is Death For Society" thread.

Want to quote were I said you think they constitute a majority of Fi-ers? I just said you are paranoid about the number of them.

If I made no comment on the number of them, how on earth do you reason that I'm paranoid about it? You don't even know how many I think there are.

INFPs can definitely be big on conspiracy theories. I've known several IRL like that. Never seen an ISFP big on it though.

For ISFPs it usually happens when Ni overtakes Se--as in Victor's case.