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    To me the phrase "MBTI is a system" explained it all, cause systems dont work with people. The most basic example in that regards is trieing to define a person that has no mental illnesses or a "normal" person.

    A student of psychology once told me there are two ways to deal with knowledge concerning the human psyche. The first is you become an engineer of perfection, who seeks out every single flaw he ever learned about in the human psyche and generates role model understandings or systems to explain to himself why people are doing things, what their motivations are.

    The other type of psychologist is the more relaxed, reflective one. He has accepted that people have flaws and will never fit any system, therefore he tries to give them examples from his own experience or the experience he learned through his studies.

    One may argue now, who has the better approach.

    Back in the days C.G. Jung made his archetypes, he used the same tools as the nazis. Meaning the nazis had their own typology system, which did analyze and categorize people like that and Jung tried to present them with a more colourful, versatile onlook on the human psyche. To show them people aint made for war only. This was a very brave attempt, nevertheless if you look at his archetypes nowadays, it uses the same analyzing and categorizing methods like the nazis.

    To me mbti didnt bring much harm. It really helped me to gain a better understanding of my surroundings and to understand their motivations better. But when I had really fun with it, I overdid it to some extent. My overdoing was i.e. I couldnt decide what type I am. And in the end I asked myself, what for, I can be all types. And nowadays I choosed entp because it fits my nickname.

    And that's basically what I wanted to say: if you can use mbti as a way to get in better contact with your surroundings, it helped you. But then you have to stop and not overuse it, if you are not a big fan of over overanalyzing people and rather take them as they are. Any other approach can lead you trieing to change people for the better, cause you think they for example dont behave very intp like in that special moment.

    In Europe mbti is considered wrong in the therapists world. And dont ask me for more info on that, I am no therapist nor a big speaker.

    Another fact is, the base of all scientific research is to question estblished truths over and over and over again. Therefore I wouldnt call it Fi doom-mongering.

    Another thing is, I am a bit sad about people teaming up and collectively attack the op starter for not following general consensus. That is, sorry guys, a very american thing. I hope you may learn some day that there are never wrong questions, just dumb answers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by entropie View Post
    I hope you may learn some day that there are never wrong questions, just dumb answers.
    There are dumb questions which can't be answered, because they are based on wrong data or values indifferent from the question. If the parts do not make any sense, the whole also won't make any sense. If the very fundament the question is based on can't be accepted, what else is there to discuss?

    Maslow's hierarchy of needs, wtf? It is a quasi-intellectual ranting for the Op to feel that he/she is just another special, unique little snowflake amongst stupid meatbags such as you and me.

    As for your theory, why do six-legged monkeys always drink kerosene?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Litvyak View Post
    There are dumb questions which can't be answered, because they are based on wrong data or values indifferent from the question. If the parts do not make any sense, the whole also won't make any sense. If the very fundament the question is based on can't be accepted, what else is there to discuss?

    Maslow's hierarchy of needs, wtf? It is a quasi-intellectual ranting for the Op to feel that he/she is just another special, unique little snowflake amongst stupid meatbags such as you and me.

    As for your theory, why do six-legged monkeys always drink kerosene?
    You may rationalize for you any idealism there might be.

    Wont work with me.
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    Guess I'll have to wait for my answer, then... :/

    Cheers.

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    No, you had your answer: I have none.

    I have a different way to look at things. For example do I think there are no dumb questions; wrong data doesnt make a question dumb from the start.

    And who Maslow is I dont know.
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    Don't hate me for bumping this.

    I just want to say I'm very glad to have found MBTI, growing up in a family without NF's I did not fit in at ALL. I was some kind of alien species. I really enjoy being able to find that there are other people similar to me.

    I'm glad to have found this forum, too, because I see things everyday that are posted that really resonate with me. So while it's sad that MBTI is evil and controlling the masses, (<-- sarcasm, in case you are one of the masses who doesn't catch it) this single mass is very happy to have a tool that helps me identify similarities with others that I didn't realize were there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mystic Tater View Post
    The MBTI segments the mind into 8 pieces and 16 more pieces for each archetype. We call it "self-actualization", though the only thing to be actualized is a projected system. Those who inspect the system are too slothful to inspect themselves; so they wallow in self-stagnation - attempting to improve the system rather than themselves.
    Tater. Any system of thought, code of beliefs, or even a pure natural science can be misused, abused, and be of more harm than good.

    Religion has screwed up way more people's minds than MBTI could ever hope to. Science has been used to commit heinous crimes. Wacko nut jobs like Jim Jones had his followers drink poisoned Kool-Aid, as did the followers of the Heaven's Gate cult.

    Methinks you are unecessarily villifying MBTI. The people who stagnate their own growth as a result of putting too much faith in MBTI are responsible for their own lack of self actualization, as are those that place too much faith in any other method of thinking or system of beliefs.
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    Quite frankly, for something to be a "danger" to society, it would need to be a little more widespread than MBTI is. Perhaps this is purely my own personal experience, but the only other person that has spoken of MBTI to me (outside of the internet) was a college career guidance counselor. That just doesn't scream of "deathly" proportions to me...

    Likewise, no system is beyond reform, should we find the need to do so. We, as humans, like to classify and compartmentalize the world around us, why would we treat ourselves any differently?

    MBTI, enneagram, and all other typologies are just systems to help find and understand who we are as individuals. Sure, if you become dogmatic and unquestioning of it, than you'll probably be doing more harm than good. But, if you take it for what it is, a theoretical system, you're probably going to gain more perspective than you will lose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elaur View Post

    I just want to say I'm very glad to have found MBTI, growing up in a family without NF's I did not fit in at ALL. I was some kind of alien species. I really enjoy being able to find that there are other people similar to me.
    That's the thing that kept me with mbti aswell and what I am glad for.

    Only thing I havent decided on yet is if I am just insane or different in mbti terms
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    You seem totally normal to me, ent. Sorry

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