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    What I have learned:

    Ne is a super nova.
    Ni is a black hole.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saturned View Post
    What I have learned:

    Ne is a super nova.
    Ni is a black hole.
    Something... Something. Something to that effect was what I got in mind.

    From what I remember learning about Ni and Ne, both can be never-ending in some strange direction. If you were to give a Ni and Ne user any type of word, and tell both users to give a use for it, Ni will bring everything into that one word. Ne, on the other hand, would bring that one word into everything. So Ni, in a sense, contracts. While, on the other hand, Ne expands. But I like Saturned's definition .

    Ni is the all for one, while Ne is the one for all. Ni tries to converge ideas, while Ne tries to diverge an idea.

    The most concrete example I can think of is "diseases." For example diabetes, obesity, and heart attacks.

    How it is grouped into diabetes, obesity, and heart attack could possibly be considered a Ne approach.

    But once you begin saying that those who have obesity are more likely to have diabetes and heart attacks, that is when you are converging the three ideas (which can be seen as a Ni approach.)

    In both cases, they both work. Not all people who have obesity gets diabetes or a heart attack. People who don't even have obesity gets diabetes or a heart attack etc etc... [fill in the never ending comparison.]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Burning Rave View Post
    Something... Something. Something to that effect was what I got in mind.

    From what I remember learning about Ni and Ne, both can be never-ending in some strange direction. If you were to give a Ni and Ne user any type of word, and tell both users to give a use for it, Ni will bring everything into that one word. Ne, on the other hand, would bring that one word into everything. So Ni, in a sense, contracts. While, on the other hand, Ne expands. But I like Saturned's definition .

    Ni is the all for one, while Ne is the one for all. Ni tries to converge ideas, while Ne tries to diverge an idea.

    The most concrete example I can think of is "diseases." For example diabetes, obesity, and heart attacks.

    How it is grouped into diabetes, obesity, and heart attack could possibly be considered a Ne approach.

    But once you begin saying that those who have obesity are more likely to have diabetes and heart attacks, that is when you are converging the three ideas (which can be seen as a Ni approach.)

    In both cases, they both work. Not all people who have obesity gets diabetes or a heart attack. People who don't even have obesity gets diabetes or a heart attack etc etc... [fill in the never ending comparison.]
    Yeah, I agree that's a great way to describe it! It also shows the connection between Ni and Js, and Ne and Ps.

    INTPness made a diagram to illustrate this earlier in this thread, cool, hey?

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    Maybe something like this?


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    For the TV addicts:

    NE - Michael Weston
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    .........see what I did there.......come on, you guys don't watch enough TV, even though I'm still 100% accurate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Resonance View Post
    I know the question of what distinguishes Ne from Ni comes up a lot and everyone has different perspectives, so if nothing else just post your own idea of what it is, and we can see about discussing and at least make sure everyone's perspectives are out there so we can pick what seems 'right' to us.

    There are probably some older threads on the topic, but I looked through some pages and only saw more specialized discussions.

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    The reason I'm wondering about this is because I've pretty much 'locked in' that I use Fe with people IRL and Ti for analysis/debates/work/etc, regardless of what meaning I'm going by. And N has always been unquestionably tops. So that leaves either Ni-Fe-Ti-Se (INFJ) or Ne-Ti-Fe-Se (ENTP).

    Based on my apparent overuse of Ti, many people want to pin me as ENTP. But on the other hand, a lot of comparisons consist of "Ni-Te" vs "Ne-Ti" interactions - in debates and humour and so on, so it's hard to discern where Ti ends and some sort of N begins. I'd rather leave it up to a more general examination of Ni vs. Ne, because I feel like that's really the crux of the difference. In my case, I'm interested in the interactions of Ni-Fe, Ni-Ti, Ne-Ti, and Ne-Fe, but the inverse is probably relevant to some other people so by all means, go all-out.

    For this reason, please don't just post "You seem [type/function] to me" unless it will help contextualize your explanation.
    I think the problem is simply that you want to be "pinned" as one type. It should be recognized that the ANSIR typology system uses a 3-tier typing system. You could be the same type in all three, or a different type in each. I strongly suspect you would score differently in at least two of them.

    Consider this: "The reason I'm wondering about this is because I've pretty much 'locked in' that I use Fe with people IRL and Ti for analysis/debates/work/etc." You have implied all three ANSIR categories in one sentence: thinking, working, and emoting. You use Fe with people - Emoting; and you use Ti for analysis/debates/work - Thinking and Working.

    So just stop trying to lock yourself in. You are INFJ with people, and (let's say) ENTP with debate, work, and analysis. That's about the same idea as scoring Synthesist-Realist - polar opposites - on the Harrison/Bramson InQ test, it's just not a problem until the MBTI demands that 6,000,000,000 people have to be exactly one type and only one type out of sixteen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mal12345 View Post
    I think the problem is simply that you want to be "pinned" as one type. It should be recognized that the ANSIR typology system uses a 3-tier typing system. You could be the same type in all three, or a different type in each. I strongly suspect you would score differently in at least two of them.

    Consider this: "The reason I'm wondering about this is because I've pretty much 'locked in' that I use Fe with people IRL and Ti for analysis/debates/work/etc." You have implied all three ANSIR categories in one sentence: thinking, working, and emoting. You use Fe with people - Emoting; and you use Ti for analysis/debates/work - Thinking and Working.

    So just stop trying to lock yourself in. You are INFJ with people, and (let's say) ENTP with debate, work, and analysis. That's about the same idea as scoring Synthesist-Realist - polar opposites - on the Harrison/Bramson InQ test, it's just not a problem until the MBTI demands that 6,000,000,000 people have to be exactly one type and only one type out of sixteen.
    That's cool, I'll check this other typology out. Thanks!

    Still, that's a totally new and unrelated context, so I don't expect it to have much effect on the discussion >.< But yah it sounds like it'll give me a more concise way of expressing it I guess~
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    Quote Originally Posted by redcheerio View Post
    INTPness made a diagram to illustrate this earlier in this thread, cool, hey?
    Yep, apparently everyone thought what I thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Burning Rave View Post
    Something... Something. Something to that effect was what I got in mind.

    From what I remember learning about Ni and Ne, both can be never-ending in some strange direction. If you were to give a Ni and Ne user any type of word, and tell both users to give a use for it, Ni will bring everything into that one word. Ne, on the other hand, would bring that one word into everything. So Ni, in a sense, contracts. While, on the other hand, Ne expands. But I like Saturned's definition .

    Ni is the all for one, while Ne is the one for all. Ni tries to converge ideas, while Ne tries to diverge an idea.

    The most concrete example I can think of is "diseases." For example diabetes, obesity, and heart attacks.

    How it is grouped into diabetes, obesity, and heart attack could possibly be considered a Ne approach.

    But once you begin saying that those who have obesity are more likely to have diabetes and heart attacks, that is when you are converging the three ideas (which can be seen as a Ni approach.)

    In both cases, they both work. Not all people who have obesity gets diabetes or a heart attack. People who don't even have obesity gets diabetes or a heart attack etc etc... [fill in the never ending comparison.]
    Haha, I kind of came up with that on the fly.... I did some research last night into super novas, black holes, neutron stars, event horizons, singularities... So interesting... that I got lost in the main reason why I was looking those topics up.

    I really like how Ne and Ni work together. I have two INFJs that work for me. On the days we are all three together, we do a lot of talking about various topics. One of the INFJs is a mother of 5 and one of her sons is having problems. We talked an entire day about this issue. I tossed out about 20 scenarios I could see as to why he was acting this way. (His dad lives in Australia and ignores him, his older brother moved off to NY for college last fall, he's a middle child and with all of the action going on he has gotten lost in the shuffle, he's feeling lost at school, etc etc) The two INFJs sifted through what I said and explored whether what I was saying was a good match or not. We get a lot done in these chats usually.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saturned View Post
    I really like how Ne and Ni work together. I have two INFJs that work for me. On the days we are all three together, we do a lot of talking about various topics. One of the INFJs is a mother of 5 and one of her sons is having problems. We talked an entire day about this issue. I tossed out about 20 scenarios I could see as to why he was acting this way. (His dad lives in Australia and ignores him, his older brother moved off to NY for college last fall, he's a middle child and with all of the action going on he has gotten lost in the shuffle, he's feeling lost at school, etc etc) The two INFJs sifted through what I said and explored whether what I was saying was a good match or not. We get a lot done in these chats usually.
    this is how i feel. most of my friends are nps, and the opportunity to consistently engage and explore so many possibilities, to refine them, to generate new questions, to build understanding is, i think, mutually rewarding. especially when discussions unfold that allow each person to independently advance their own ideas while testing them within something that is collectively unfolding. maybe even more so, i just know it brings out my best, and i know i am getting better at bringing out the best in others in these situations and kind of parsing out the problems to be solved in ways that fit with what we all do best and all like to do.

    with other sx types, it's usually more independent writing and just taking turns to see what you can do with the context that has been built up while being somewhat cognizant that it might not be relevant to the other person and as a result at least trying to create good energy so that interest remains high.

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    Games that help describe both functions:

    Ne - TriBond - take three seemingly-different concepts, determine the common essential characteristic of the three

    Ni - Scribblish - take a non-sensical picture, and determine how it developed through multiple iterations of interpretation

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