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    Default INxP; high Ti and Fi?

    On tests which only consider the four dichotomies, I score INTP pretty consistently, but on tests of the 8 functions, I keep getting a very high Fi score, even higher than Ti.

    I'm not asking to be typed, because when I read type descriptions, INTP is far more accurate than INFP, so I'm sure that's what I am. I'm hoping to find INTPs who use Fi, INFPs who use Ti, or any INxPs who had difficulty deciding between the two, for a little discussion.

    Basically, what's the deal? I want to talk about this but I don't have any good questions to get the discussion going.

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    Tests aren't 100% accurate, especially the cognitive functions test, which pretty much throws the 16 types out of the window.

    I've been throwing around these two descriptions in a couple of threads, since this is coming up a lot. At first I thought I had a "high Fi" as well, but after reading up on it I'm pretty sure I was just confusing it with Fe.

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    Introverted Thinking (Ti) often involves finding just the right word to clearly express an idea concisely, crisply, and to the point. Using introverted Thinking is like having an internal sense of the essential qualities of something, noticing the fine distinctions that make it what it is and then naming it. It also involves an internal reasoning process of deriving subcategories of classes and sub-principles of general principles. These can then be used in problem solving, analysis, and refining of a product or an idea. The analysis involves looking at different sides of an issue and seeing where there is inconsistency. We engage in this process when we notice logical inconsistencies between statements and frameworks, using a model to evaluate the likely accuracy of what’s observed.
    Try not to confuse Introverted Thinking with "being smart", it's more about being able to identify logical coherence. It manifests in behaviour like wanting to clarify something that someone else has said, even if it seems kinda anal to do so.

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    I feel that my emotions are trustworthy. I use them to fine-tune my value system...I do this by waiting until I have a feeling, then checking it against what I believe I should feel. If the two are not consistent, I re-analyze why I believe I should feel otherwise. If it does not make sense or is inconsistent with the rest of my values, particularly the foundations of the value system, I alter the value until it is properly aligned. If the reason makes sense and retains an internal consistency with the rest of the value system, I figure out why I am feeling inappropriately. When I discover the core of the error, I can work to change the spiritual flaw in order to change the emotion. I continue focusing on appropriate attitudes until the actual emotion aligns with the value system again.
    Remember, try not to confuse Introverted Feeling with just "being sensitive". It's about having values and remaining congruent with them, or feeling them to be challenged by others or circumstance.
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    My INFP friend scored really high on both Ti and Fi, with Ti slightl higher, but we have concluded that Ti is something she has learned to use very well (due to being a philosophy student) and Fi is her natural primary function.

    Yeah that doesn't really help at all but I'm trying to reach 1000 post count.

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    I think I have Ti/Fi fight going on... I used to be very much a T when I was younger, and probably would have scored INTP. I still think I use Ti quite much but the INFP description suits me better.

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    I think the two functions are very similar, in the way Ti and Fi dominant people construct and use their view of the world. It's hard to tell the difference sometimes--I've known some of the INxPs you're talking about.

    In fact, I often just think of Ti as a "logical Fi."
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    I think Fi also gets associated with 'searching for your identity and finding yourself." Usually if people type me and pick something other than INTP, it is INFP... because I focus a lot of personal growth and insight and introspection on the personal level, as well as examining and trying to grasp/actualize others.

    But basically I did not really try to find my "personal values" until my 30's. Until then I was driven by what I could observe and theorize as true. Whether something was true or not is what mattered to me, even if it wasn't something I personally wanted to believe or accept; I always submitted to what my rationality told me was most likely to be true. I would also get angry inside and even disdainful of people who seemed to prioritize what they wanted, what they felt, and what they valued at other people's expense or without consideration of rationality and fairness to other people.

    It wasn't until mid-life where I started trying to figure out how I felt about things personally, and started to acknowledge that maybe my personal feelings and values should play a role in my commitments, life direction and choices, etc. That life was more fulfilling if I actually accepted I had subjective feelings and views on things and needed to live in more accordance with them rather than just what I could best rationalize about the world external to me.
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    I'm a definite INTP with high Fi, according to tests. I feel like it may actually be a combination of Ti and inaccurate testing methods. The questions that typically test for Fi seem to me that they can have the same results from applying Ti to certain situations. It seems that the tests often deal with the conclusions drawn from Fi which could be drawn from Ti as well. I feel that "strong values" can be obtained by both functions even though they aren't often used as an indicator of Ti.

    Example: I made the conscious decision that there are things to b e objective about and things to be subjective about. That anything that doesn't have effects on others or doesn't have a definite answer should not be forced to match objective ideals as it is a personal and subjective issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    I think Fi also gets associated with 'searching for your identity and finding yourself."
    You've hit the nail on the head, I think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueGray View Post
    I'm a definite INTP with high Fi, according to tests. I feel like it may actually be a combination of Ti and inaccurate testing methods. The questions that typically test for Fi seem to me that they can have the same results from applying Ti to certain situations. It seems that the tests often deal with the conclusions drawn from Fi which could be drawn from Ti as well. I feel that "strong values" can be obtained by both functions even though they aren't often used as an indicator of Ti.

    Example: I made the conscious decision that there are things to b e objective about and things to be subjective about. That anything that doesn't have effects on others or doesn't have a definite answer should not be forced to match objective ideals as it is a personal and subjective issue.
    Good analysis. It's Ti and Fe. The "function tests" are so inaccurate they're bordering on totally worthless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VagrantFarce View Post
    I've been throwing around these two descriptions in a couple of threads, since this is coming up a lot.
    I do like how little trends emerge here, it's fun.

    At first I thought I had a "high Fi" as well, but after reading up on it I'm pretty sure I was just confusing it with Fe.
    See, I would have said that I'm (or the tests are) confusing it with Ti, not Fe (explained below).

    I feel that my emotions are trustworthy. I use them to fine-tune my value system...I do this by waiting until I have a feeling, then checking it against what I believe I should feel. If the two are not consistent, I re-analyze why I believe I should feel otherwise. If it does not make sense or is inconsistent with the rest of my values, particularly the foundations of the value system, I alter the value until it is properly aligned. If the reason makes sense and retains an internal consistency with the rest of the value system, I figure out why I am feeling inappropriately. When I discover the core of the error, I can work to change the spiritual flaw in order to change the emotion. I continue focusing on appropriate attitudes until the actual emotion aligns with the value system again.
    Okay, wow, that just seems crazy to me, it makes me think of my ISTJ friend who says she was smacked as a child whenever she showed emotion. Everything after the first sentence seems to directly contradict the initial statement of "I feel that my emotions are trustworthy." Noticing an emotion, weighing it against what you think you should feel, and attempting to change your emotion? To me that says an intense fear of emotion. Did you write it with tertiary/inferior users in mind? It looks like a negative, self-injuring manifestation of Fi to me.

    In the little Te-Fi/Ti-Fe war that seems to be going on here, I admit that I am strongly on the Ti-Fe side. But then I get these cognitive functions scores that say I have high Fi. If I were to describe my personal philosophy, I would say that a major part of it is that I believe you should be your own first priority and act in your own best interest, so I can see where that's coming from. But I can imagine it's common for someone who uses Ti (usually for theoretical subjects that aren't of practical importance to one's daily life), when it comes to making major like decisions, could appear to be relying on Fi.

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