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    hmm bullying. I was bullied quite bad at primary school. Mainly physicaly. I was the wimp, the weak guy and the only one who thought football was shit.

    So it would be the "cool kids" would try push me around so I would in return verbally abuse them so they went mad and got in crap. It often didn't work as them getting mad got them more violent and then I got in even more shit.

    By the time I got to high school though everyone had grown out of physical bullying and started verbal abuse and by that point I was immune to verbal abuse and half-decent at giving it. I still got shit for being weird and a smart-ass and being cocky but if any dished anything out at me I wasn't really bothered by it like other kids and was able to give it back which kept the "kool kids" away from targeting me.


    As to bullying. Yeah at times I could be a bully. Mainly against people who tried to bully me though.

    I know a lot of kids who had been bullied tried bullying me to make themselves feel better and raise their own social standing since I didn't really react much and had a habit of pissing people off (especially girls) so it was easy (in their minds) to bully me, look like a "hard guy" and turn people against me making themselves popular at the same time. Most regretted it as I would happily take the abuse and give it back laughing half the time as I actually enjoyed trying to outwit them all day.

    Now that I'm an "adult" - in the loosest sense of the word - I've found that the bullyings far more political and more subtle. I still get stick off of some people for being a bit wacky and loud but most of them soon back off when they realise that I will keep on giving them shit back and not back down If they pick a fight with me.
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    bullies are ESTJ's period

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nescio View Post
    Bullying tends to happen when you're young and thus less developed.

    Which is why middle school absolutely sucks. (Kids aren't motivated by stickers, are old enough to do damage, smart enough not to do it in front of teachers, the councelors don't know what to do, ect)

    Also.... middle school girl hiarchy... hates NTs (female)
    Why? because middle school girl politics are absolute nonsense.
    The girls at the top hate not having control, and the rest of the girls just agree with the ones at the top.

    They tried to assimilate me (after a while they gave up settled for labling me as a bitch... can't say I cared... to me they were inferior.)

    Retrospectively I find this absolutely hilarious. Who says they don't want to be in a lab group with you because you're "too smart."


    It has nothing to do with being unhealthy. INTx girls are screwed in middle school regardless.

    Unless, of course, they are homeschooled. Which I sadly was not. I did manage to get the bullies in big trouble with the teachers, though, and not even on purpose

    I think that HSPs of all types tend to be bullied more.

    The bully "leaders" I have known have been primarily ESTJs.

    The bully "followers" I have known have been all different types.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elaur View Post
    I disapprove.

    Someone with a physical deformity or something unique about themselves could be the victim of a bully aside from how they are internally.
    Definitely.
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    I think most types could become a bully in certain circumstance. I do think some are more inclined to become bullies and some types are very disinclined. If you look at what motivates bullying (attemping to overcome insecurity, inferiority/powerlessness, or social pressure in a proactive manner) certain types are more likely to be suceptible to these pressures and to taking action to against them. Whereas for other types these pressures are insignifcant and/or they are not reactionary to them. I'm not going to point fingers at particular types because I have been on the receiving end of a whole range of methods of and approaches to bullying.

    I do think that as an INFP, I was born with a target on my back. I feel completely defenceless when it comes to personal attacks and insults. I have no ability to counter them other than to just sit there and take it, like a deer in the headlights. My skin has thickened over the years but I'm always going to be the easy target. I am/was unusual in a number of ways (tall, thin, red hair, tomboy, awkward etc) but my father (an ISTP) was these things, yet due to great personality, was very popular. If someone teased him, he just shrugged his shoulders and walked away. This leads me to think that this is primarily a personality issue - being different can't help but its not the main factor.

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    Most Likely: ESxJs
    Least Likely: INxPs
    Different types have different motives in regard to bullying behavior though some are more likely to bully than others. Types that accept social norms and who have developed a firm idea of how one should act are more likely to bully others because they differ from the norm. Extroverts and Judgers, for that reason, seem to bully more often than Introverts and Perceivers. INxPs seem the least likely to be bullies; they aren't generally proactive enough and have a tendency not to fit in themselves while ESxJs (ESTJ for males, ESFJ for females) are the most likely to bully for the traditional reasons. Male adolescents who have a studied tendency to describe themselves as noisy(extroversion), courageous, and strong (masculine SJ values) tend to more often be bullies. They also have a tendency to pick on males who differ from the norm and who would describe themselves with feminine traits. The stereotypical clique of female high school bullies, on the other hand, are more likely to be ESFJ. They have a strong sense of group loyalty and generally bully through social ostracism.

    -Note that both of the respective groups of bullies in the hyperlinked study strongly identify with their gender role. Ns are less likely to do as such and Ps are less likely to care.
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    I think Ps are most likely to tease (everything's a game) and Js are most likely to boss.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fluffywolf View Post
    ENTP's aren't bullies, if they're seen 'bullying', it's more likely the bullee actually deserved it. And it wasn't really bullying but in the mind of the ENTP, deserved.
    A lot of men who hit their girlfriends or wives say things like "you made me hit you." Is that what you mean when you say "And it wasn't really bullying but in the mind of the ENTP, deserved"? Because that's kind of how some of them strike me.

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    The bullies in my school corridor were ISTJ guy, ESTJ(guy), ISTP(guy), ESTJ(girl), ESTJ(girl), ESTJ(guy), ESTJ(guy), ESFP(girl), ESFJ(guy) and an ISFJ(girl) (!??!).
    There is a particular order, but I thought it out according to three separate classes, and they didn't stack neatly. Lots of ESTJ rich kids(with no love from home), though.



    Victims: all types possible. From ISFP to ENTJ. It was a shitty social climate, over all.
    To avoid physical bullying, I had to beat up the ISTJ and two ESTJs quite badly.
    Edit: just to clarify: these were big guys ganging up on the tiny goofy ISTP below.
    That ended it for me and a couple of others, especially a goofy ISTP, but I never
    escaped the verbal abuse campaigns and backstabbing the girls were engaging in.

    What's quite odd is that 9/10 of these people are not really that bad one on one.
    It was in reality only one of them who is purely fucked up in the head and downright evil.
    That was an ESTJ butch of a girl. Most ruthless and awful person I ever encountered.
    She looks like a pig, and doesn't behave as well as one. Guess she realizes it and makes up for it by stomping down others.

    Thankfully, this ended when I moved on to secondary highschool (age 16-19).
    The ISTJ whom I beat up was still in my class, I beat him and another guy he had riled up when they tried to step on me again.
    They both quit doing that and were forced to accept me being different.
    Even fixed ISTJ up with a job in Norway later.
    I can always see the hint of shame on his face when I talk to him.


    Edit: i'd say that bullies are generally people who play team sports, read too little and can't accept people being different than them.
    STJs overall seem to be the most common types, especially ESTJs, and this is probably why I have such a hard time liking them or even tolerating them.
    Believe me, I am trying to do so. It's getting easier as both me and them are getting older/more mature.

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    down with STJs! destroy them all!

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