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    According to Wikipedia (regarding socionics and cognitive functions) Se attributes aggressive and territorial traits.

    I have noticed some serious aggression and territorial-ism in my personality...although as a child these traits were definitely not present. I wonder if childhood Se-users, while recollecting, would use the words "aggressive and territorial" to describe themselves.

    Also, I work with mostly Si users. None of the Si users ever appear aggressive or territorial, unless they are at the end of their rope. They seem to prefer not to use such behaviors, and begin to look sometimes terrified, sometimes in awe when I do. I am still learning to use such behaviors appropriately; I believe they can be appropriate and used in a manner which allows all parties to leave with self-respect.

    I am interested in what others think about the presence of aggression and territorial-ism in their own personality traits.

    "Se is responsible for the perception, control, defense, and acquisition of space, territory, and control. It observes outward appearances, estimates whether forces are in alignment or conflict, and uses strength of will and power-based methods to achieve purposes. Se understands territory and physical aggression." -Wikipedia, "Socionics", Information Elements

    The description of Si is rather interesting too.

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    I'd say that if there was any type that's likely to duke it out at a drunken frat party, it'd be an ESxP. Se is responsible for gut reactions, and that can definitely be manifested as aggression. "I'm really mad at this guy, my gut is telling me to punch him, *BAM!*"

    Also, Se is responsible for valuing material possessions that bring some sort of physical delight or contribute to one's "coolness", and this can cause a sense of territorialism as well. Over the top Se is selfish and brutal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by teslashock View Post
    I'd say that if there was any type that's likely to duke it out at a drunken frat party, it'd be an ESxP. Se is responsible for gut reactions, and that can definitely be manifested as aggression. "I'm really mad at this guy, my gut is telling me to punch him, *BAM!*"
    True.

    Quote Originally Posted by teslashock View Post
    Also, Se is responsible for valuing material possessions that bring some sort of physical delight or contribute to one's "coolness", and this can cause a sense of territorialism as well. Over the top Se is selfish and brutal.
    Yes, this is definitely a possibility.

    As an Si-user, do you feel uneasy when Se is used?

    Here's the comparative description of Si, just for kix:
    "Si is responsible for perception of physical sensations; questions of comfort, coziness, and pleasure; and a sense of harmony and acclimation with one's environment (especially physical). Si understand how well a person or thing's behavior agrees with its nature as well as the differences between comfortable behaviors and positions and uncomfortable ones." -Wikipedia, "Socionics", Information Elements

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    Quote Originally Posted by Afkan View Post

    As an Si-user, do you feel uneasy when Se is used?
    Well, I'd hardly call myself an "Si user." You are using that term lightly, as it's an inferior function for me, and it's really only manifested as a slight tinge of comfortable nostalgia every now and then. Get back to me in 10 years when I start giving more thought to my Si though.

    On another note, I would say that Se makes me uncomfortable. I guess if there was one function that I truly fear, that'd be Se. It's just so impulsive, physical, and risky, and it makes me feel tense around people with that kind of Se.

    I also don't really get along on a deep level with most SPs. They are just so much more caught up in *doing* something tangible, while I'm stuck *thinking* about something abstract.

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    Quote Originally Posted by teslashock View Post
    Well, I'd hardly call myself an "Si user." You are using that term lightly, as it's an inferior function for me, and it's really only manifested as a slight tinge of comfortable nostalgia every now and then. Get back to me in 10 years when I start giving more thought to my Si though.
    Ah yeeeess, what a good pt... except inferior functions in theory develop later in life. *gasp* Its just a theory! You are using the term inferior function very lightly.

    Quote Originally Posted by teslashock View Post
    On another note, I would say that Se makes me uncomfortable. I guess if there was one function that I truly fear, that'd be Se. It's just so impulsive, physical, and risky, and it makes me feel tense around people with that kind of Se.
    My honest thoughts while reading this were, How interesting how ENTPs use sarcasm and intellectual posturing to compensate for the lack of Se. ENTPs in general *of course*

    Quote Originally Posted by teslashock View Post
    I also don't really get along on a deep level with most SPs. They are just so much more caught up in *doing* something tangible, while I'm stuck *thinking* about something abstract.
    I see. Aww, you are leveling with me. Lets hold hands and sing koombya. No, SPs are not usually the "deep" type.
    Edit: I do not mean "not deep" derogatorily. I was referring to the common reply of Sensors, "Lets not stay on that subject too long," regarding philosophical discussions and theory.
    Last edited by Afkan; 01-01-2010 at 10:20 PM. Reason: For clarification purposes. I labeled it as such, at the bottom, "Edit:"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Afkan View Post
    I see. Aww, you are leveling with me. Lets hold hands and sing koombya. No, SPs are not usually the "deep" type.
    I wouldn't say deep in the philosophical sense that you may be accustomed to. However, I think there is a zen to Se that is undervalued and that is it's depth. The beauty of it is that it is experienced one on one with sensation. It is not something that is discussed and debated. It is shown and proven. I wish more N's were open to experiencing Se because it is freeing and subjectively enlightening to it's owner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MDP2525 View Post
    I wouldn't say deep in the philosophical sense that you may be accustomed to. However, I think there is a zen to Se that is undervalued and that is it's depth. The beauty of it is that it is experienced one on one with sensation. It is not something that is discussed and debated. It is shown and proven. I wish more N's were open to experiencing Se because it is freeing and subjectively enlightening to it's owner.
    I get bored with Si, point blank. Probably because I am surrounded by it. Se is soooo much more exciting. You have a good point, Se is exactly what meditation is all about imo. Experiencing life in the moment. I don't see how experiencing without thought, truly being, all that good stuff is possible when viewing with Si.

    Even the uber Si users with whom I work, SJs, appreciate Se from time to time. They recognize a person who knows how to have a good time.
    The description of Se I posted is limited for the purposes of this post. There's a lot more to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Afkan View Post
    According to Wikipedia (regarding socionics and cognitive functions) Se attributes aggressive and territorial traits.

    I have noticed some serious aggression and territorial-ism in my personality...although as a child these traits were definitely not present. I wonder if childhood Se-users, while recollecting, would use the words "aggressive and territorial" to describe themselves.

    Also, I work with mostly Si users. None of the Si users ever appear aggressive or territorial, unless they are at the end of their rope. They seem to prefer not to use such behaviors, and begin to look sometimes terrified, sometimes in awe when I do. I am still learning to use such behaviors appropriately; I believe they can be appropriate and used in a manner which allows all parties to leave with self-respect.

    I am interested in what others think about the presence of aggression and territorial-ism in their own personality traits.

    "Se is responsible for the perception, control, defense, and acquisition of space, territory, and control. It observes outward appearances, estimates whether forces are in alignment or conflict, and uses strength of will and power-based methods to achieve purposes. Se understands territory and physical aggression." -Wikipedia, "Socionics", Information Elements

    The description of Si is rather interesting too.
    I'm aggressive when needed. I love Se. I have a highly developed sense of duty, purpose, and am a very kind and understanding person. But, I don't take any shit from anyone. And, I like to have a good time. So, my immediate surroundings afford me ample opportunity to realize my personal motivations. I am aggressive 90% of the time in a defensive mode, but if I think it necessary I will not hesitate to initiate a pre-emptive strike. I defend my loved ones, I defend the weak, I defend my possessions, and I defend my right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Halla74 View Post
    I defend my loved ones, I defend the weak, I defend my possessions, and I defend my right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
    Some of the very noble qualities of Se.

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    If it's regarding Se in socionics then this doesn't apply to IS_Ps. I can't say that I'm very territorial at all, nor am I aggressive. I just don't think about these things really. The main Se users in socionics are ES_Ps leading with it and IS_Js with it as a secondary.

    IS_Ps lead with Si in socionics, and ES_Js have it as a secondary.

    Most definitions of Si are pretty bad by the way for socionics, so don't go by what you read when it comes to that.
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