I think some times the "backstory" is taken with more weight than it may hold to the present situation though. It's not always that important. That might be another reason for the disagreements.INFPs are Third is knowing the backstory and applying it to your analysis (aka, if a person is feeling anger, the backstory will tell you how that will make them react, whereas you as the interpreter might do something else in that situation)
I'd say that's why NFPs come across as so pretentious to NTPs though. NTPs don't really think about using body language to express their feelings, and for me, oftentimes my body language is not a manifestation of my internal thoughts. It gets misinterpretted though, and thus the annoyance ensues., fourth is using the bodylanguage of the person to verify your reading, and back up the questions, steer them. Together, they will often give you a very acurate pic of what's happening.
To the bolded: I did not know this is how an NFP would feel about logical analysis! Thank you for that.What can you do? Don't get defensive
Much like ENTPs wanna know what's inside your head and logically verify everything and question stuff (which to us feels like you're not believing us, questionning our morals and values and makes us go all porcupine on ya and btw makes us paranoid and read into your emotions to see wtf is wrong with you that you feel like you need to torture us ), we're the same on feelings.
When I analyze and ask questions, it's not necessarily because I'm doubtful. I just like to know as much about a system as possible, so I ask questions and analyze. It's hard for Ti to be sure of something without having all the necessary information. It's a huge pitfall with Ti, imo, but we can't really help it.
ENTPs don't have souls, silly.We wanna know what's going on in your soul. And ENTPs are usually reluctant to share that.
That's fair. I think that NTPs just don't hold as much weight with emotions as NFPs though, so we just don't really feel the need to talk about them and analyze them as much as you guys do. That's why we don't, not because we are necessarily "hiding something."When you start getting defensive, we feel, much like yourself in a Ti situation, that you're hiding something..so we'll start digging. If you don't cooperate= no information= guessing is the only option= likely to be very inaccurate. It's pretty much what you guys do to get ideas out of people's heads and verify them. We do the same on the emotional level. Realize that. It helps. We're not trying to emotionally rape you, or tell you how you feel. We want you to tell us. If you don't however, we'll guess.
And guessing is fair. Just so long as you are willing to accept the fact that your guesses are not always going to be completely spot-on.
I understand this perspective. I just wish that it was easier for Fi users to understand that anger/frustration over a specific system is not the same thing as general anger/unhappiness. I may get frustrated with not knowing something in the moment, but it doesn't affect my overall emotional state outside of the system that's confusing me.Also, in our defense....T's seem to often not realize that they *are* in fact emoting. If you vibe frustration and anger at us because you're getting frustrated at not finding the answer you seek, often it's misinterpreted by us as..omg, she's frustrated and angry at me..but why??? Then we ask...and you tell us that there's no anger or frustration. We get confused coz we clearly see it, and try to point it out, whereas to you that anger and frustration is minimal and irrelevant (so I've been told).
I really liked the insight you gave here (and the 4 prereqs really appeal to my Ti ). I didn't completely understand that Fi users felt this way. I just wish there was some effective way for Fi/Ti so solve their problems through communication. It's frustrating because NFPs can be so fun and bubbly for a while, but it seems like shit inevitably hits the fan at some point, and I don't like it when that happens.