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    Then start out with asking for furter information on something you don't seem to understand and reserve judgement ("pretentious) till after you get all the facts and you're sure you understand it. And yes, I know it wasn't meant as a judgement. It still is a hypothesis/judgement though..worse even, an unfounded one.
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    lol this is awesome:

    "Ok I'm done with you now, but....[12 MORE PARAGRAPHS OF BITCHING]"

    "Yeah whatever I'm done too! but...[26 MORE PARAGRAPHS OF BITCHING]"

    awesome
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    Quote Originally Posted by teslashock View Post
    Well I wasn't making any broad claims. I was asking for peoples' inputs on my perceptions. I didn't really even have a premise. I just wanted the OP to spur random trains of thought. I didn't want it to be organized and direct and explicit.
    You did have a premise, on Fi users being pretentious. You don't have to run away from that, it's what you titled the thread.

    But pretentiousness involves an "exaggerated outward show" and ostentatiousness. Which isn't introverted feeling.

    Or maybe you've already realized that.

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    Read the OP instead of just the title. We've already touched upon the fact that perhaps I should have put a question mark in the title. My mistake. I left a lot of room for debate and insight in the thread itself, and that should have more weight than the title, but whatever.

    And pretentious doesn't only mean being ostentatious or exaggerated. It can also mean:
    "Claiming or demanding a position of distinction or merit, especially when unjustified; characterized by assumption of dignity or importance." Obviously I didn't mean to imply that Fi users are showy and try to attract attention to themselves. I never implied that at all.

    Anyway I reserve the right to ignore any more posts about "YOU SHOULD HAVE MADE THE OP CLEARER! MORE ORGANIZED. MORE PREMISES." Alright, I get it now. I didn't know things needed such organized outlines to warrant decent discussions.

    I made two other posts after the OP that should have clarified my intentions. Any more arguments about this will be overlooked.

    I'll touch upon the more pertinent content of this thread tomorrow. You guys have put a bitter taste in my mouth for the moment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by teslashock View Post
    And pretentious doesn't only mean being ostentatious or exaggerated. It can also mean:
    "Claiming or demanding a position of distinction or merit, especially when unjustified; characterized by assumption of dignity or importance."
    "Claiming" and "demanding" isn't introverted feeling behavior either.

    Vanity or self-absorption would have worked better for Fi. Pretentiousness is more of an extroverted activity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by teslashock View Post

    And pretentious doesn't only mean being ostentatious or exaggerated. It can also mean:
    "Claiming or demanding a position of distinction or merit, especially when unjustified; characterized by assumption of dignity or importance."

    I'll touch upon the more pertinent content of this thread tomorrow. You guys have put a bitter taste in my mouth for the moment.
    How would you like it if someone denied that Ti-users are any good at making logical sense of something? That they seem to think they know everything but really are incompetent at the one thing that drives them?

    I'm guessing you'd probably laugh and shrug, without even contemplating their claim, figuring that they clearly don't comprehend in the slightest way what Ti does and how it works and that therefore their perceptions are to be ignored.

    Fi's reaction is quite similar, with the distinction that most of us do wanna be understood...desperately, as it creates harmony and minimizes miscommunication. Therefore it is hurtful to see someone presume, based on incomplete observations, that I as a person must be pretentious, coz you cannot see the merit or value in what I do.

    Do we get it wrong? Hell yes. Do Ti-users never fuck up a theory? Hell no. Why is it then, that you're not using that word and its definition on Ti-users?
    It's a skill, just like your Ti is. We make mistakes. Everybody does. There's nothing mystical or incomprehensible about Fi. It's just not something you find useful as a tool or know how to wield. I don't pretend to know how to wield Ti or to find it even makes sense to me. But you don't see me wondering if Ti is useful at all and accurate in any way. I don't know, I'm incompetent at it. But I recognize it's potential and what it can do..in the hands of someone else, even if that person regularly gets it wrong. I've seen it work, when wielded properly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by teslashock View Post
    Why do you Fi users do this?
    We don't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by teslashock View Post
    I'm not telling them how they are. I'm telling them how I perceive them, and I am asking anyone (not just Fi users) to analyze my perceptions.

    I don't think I made any personal attacks on any invidual Fi users or any cruel generalizations about Fi itself. I don't see why anybody should be taking anything personally at this point. I'm fine with people arguing with my claims and defending Fi for its good qualities, but it'd be nice if the defense didn't come purely in the form of an attack on Ti and/or unjustified interpretations of the claims I'm making.
    Havnt read any other claims, but lets take this from an ISTP cause and effect standpoint.

    1. You didnt mean for it to come across this way
    2. INFP took it as personal

    You see the disconnect. So do you change how you come across, apologize because you didnt mean to, argue, or try and fix it next time(which can still have an apology). This is concrete and what is real. Instead you responded by attacking them for an Fi response that was driven by what you said and used it to attack them.

    Quote Originally Posted by teslashock View Post
    I'm not telling you how you feel. I'm speculating. Please don't start with the Fi victimization this early on in the thread.
    Im out, its been fun

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    Quote Originally Posted by teslashock View Post
    Does anybody feel like strong Fi users are really pretentious when it comes to understanding emotions? It seems like Fi people constantly think they know how other people are feeling but are wrong many times. In my experience, Fi users seem to feel the overwhelming urge to convince me that I'm feeling a certain way. It can be kind of annoying at times, but maybe it's some times helpful?
    Fi is a cognitive function. An empty shell of a process that has no meaning, value, or purpose until it is given life within a person. It's a car without a driver. This is the main flaw and limitation of function analysis. We can talk about the car all we want, but really, it's the driver that determines where it goes or what it does.

    Fi isn't pretentious. Fi users might be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Udog View Post
    Fi is a cognitive function. An empty shell of a process that has no meaning, value, or purpose until it is given life within a person. It's a car without a driver. This is the main flaw and limitation of function analysis. We can talk about the car all we want, but really, it's the driver that determines where it goes or what it does.

    Fi isn't pretentious. Fi users might be.

    Um wow, well here's what I said that you quoted me on:

    Does anybody feel like strong Fi users are really pretentious when it comes to understanding emotions? It seems like Fi people constantly think they know how other people are feeling but are wrong many times. In my experience, Fi users seem to feel the overwhelming urge to convince me that I'm feeling a certain way. It can be kind of annoying at times, but maybe it's some times helpful.

    Let's not argue semantics anyway. That's kind of pointless.

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