Q, you rule. Alternatively, you could briefly acknowledge the Fi-users values on the topic and ask them to discuss sheer thoughts instead, without any judgement, just for the heck of it. But make sure you acknowledge first, as it is uncomfortable to discuss something that goes against our values or seems to skim close to the border of them without stating so and making sure the other person gets that.
Once that's out of the way, I'm open to the craziest thoughts and will gladly go along with it. If we then end up on another topic, you might have to do the same again, in order to keep things going, as it's automatic reflex
For the record: I don't mean to imply you have to do all the work, coz you're wrong in the way you go about things. However, it's practically impossible to get every Fi-user you wanna talk to to read this thread and accept a compromise between you two. So, if you want to talk to them, you'll have to use some tricks to manoevre around the minefields. I try to do the same with NTPs.
Speaking of which, I'd love to hear the opinion of some of the NTPs I regularly converse with as that mostly goes well and I'd love to hear how they experience that communication and what they consider to be handy when dealing with Fi-users (aka me amongst others )
Oh, and here's another tip: get to know the Fi-user first, before getting into heavy debates. If we have a baseline of who you are, and how you naturally respond to things, it's way easier to not get defensive on you during debate as we inherently know what you are like. Otherwise your debating skills and zeal are the first input in our systems...not the best first impression, especially not with the miscommunication and emotions that tend to flare up
Edit: I'm sorry, Tesla, but the way you formulated things is partly at the core of the problem. Sure we can take it..doesn't mean we want to glance over your nonchalant emotional formulating. Just as NTPs tend to not want to glance over our nonchalance in language when debating your pet topics and misinterpret what we're saying as they disect things to a level we didn't even think they would go, which leads to reading things in what we say when we actually didn't mean them that way. Same prob