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    Quote Originally Posted by tinkerbell View Post
    Mate, you've just got arsey about a month being the same as month, time, date and place... Not my issue
    Good lord. Do you not understand how claiming a more specific correlation makes astrology even less likely to show any validity?

    I mean, really, for the love of God, do you not get that?
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    I get that you are trolling, I get that you are tryignt o sweep under the carpet that you think that moth = 5 alternative variables, I also get you don't know enough about the subject to either be knoweldgable or objective.

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    To reopen in a few minutes.

    Meanwhile, it might help to go back to the very opening lines of the OP:
    Just for fun. Not scientifically...
    Conversation would be far more productive if the discourse was handled differently -- i.e., if you disagree with someone's view, calmly state why you believe what you do but not feel the need to keep beating someone with expressed incredulity.. or ask questions, if it comes up that you might not understand why they're saying something... or else, if you can't participate in the discussion as-is, choosing to vacate it and start your own.

    People will be removed from the thread if they can't follow one of the above guidelines, thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tinkerbell View Post
    I get that you are trolling, I get that you are tryignt o sweep under the carpet that you think that moth = 5 alternative variables, I also get you don't know enough about the subject to either be knoweldgable or objective.
    Okay, allow me to politely ask what evidence you have that any such correlation between birth date+place+time and behavioral tendencies exists?
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    I was curious too, about why it makes a difference supposedly, between

    Birth Month = Nov
    Birth time place and date = Nov 22nd 1979, 2.10am, New york City, NY, USA
    and how big a difference it would seemingly make and why...

    (Even if I accepted the premise as true, does the level of granularity really make a difference after a certain point?)
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    I've been doing astology as in charting it for c.9 years, so probably pulled several thousand charts. To boil it into a month/sign is bonkers.

    Take the sun, there are 360 placements possibilities of the sun (which depends on the date and time)
    The moon is the same at 360 (which depends on the date place and time)
    Mercury - 360 (which depends on the date and time)
    Venus - again 360 (which depends on the date and time)
    Mars has less possibilites not 180 maybe 190 possibiliteis per year (which depends on the date)
    Jupiter has only around 35 degrees of freedom each year.... again date of birth dependant
    Saturn has only around 15 degrees of freedom each year again depends on the date
    Uranus has only 6 degrees of freedom each year pending dates of B
    Neptune has only 3 degrees of freedom each year date dep
    Pluto 3 degrees of freedom each year date depending.

    So you miss a whole lot if you just look at month, and the above missed any movement which is wider for some planets than I've listed above. Therfore once you combine all 10 planets that a pretty uneque picture.

    This is then put on a dial/quare that is calcualted for your actual time and palce of birth, which places planets in specific locations...


    Once you have all of the above... then you interpret what that mean... all of the above is astronomoy, taken from ephemeris data, which is reliable.

    The intrepretation is dependant on the education and training of the person reading, and like any interpretation is only as good as the skills of the person reading.

    I've stat next to skepts on planes and identified major life changes affecting them, I've idenitfyed personal difficulties or difficulties someone I don't know has been suffering with their whole life.

    I'm not trying to convert you, simply share that you month of brith... you are missng a all the data that astrollogy is based on.

    We've discussed the subject before and I know I'm falling on deaf ears, and that if your choice, but if you dont' know the subject you are arguing against, then it's just closed mindedness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    I was curious too, about why it makes a difference supposedly, between



    and how big a difference it would seemingly make and why...

    (Even if I accepted the premise as true, does the level of granularity really make a difference after a certain point?)

    The difference between November = which means that around half the planets are insecure in placement v's Dec 12th 2009 means that the planets are attibuted to 1-2 degreed.

    In nov - the sun moves c.30 degrees
    The moon travels c.400 degrees
    Mercury if travelling fast might moves around 40 degrees
    Venus moves around 35 degrees
    Mars moved around 25 degrees...

    the slower planets move less fast...

    But we are interested in exactly where they lie and how they intereact with each other.... which changes every single day, no two days are ever the same, not in history, the cylces never quite line up again... every moment in time is totaly uneque.

    Not sure if that realy aswers your question

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    Okay, can you provide a single example of two people who were born in the same place at the same time and who show significant behavioral similarities?

    Furthermore, can you provide numerous examples of this phenomenon, enough to suggest that a significant correlation exists and to quell doubts that the first case is merely coincidence?
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    Quote Originally Posted by simulatedworld View Post
    Okay, can you provide a single example of two people who were born in the same place at the same time and who show significant behavioral similarities?

    Furthermore, can you provide numerous examples of this phenomenon, enough to suggest that a significant correlation exists and to quell doubts that the first case is merely coincidence?
    As I've said before, we've had this conversation you don't want the answer... there is something called astral twins.

    There is a study by Gauquelin (?Sp) which did formal quant research. I'd say astrologers are like psycologist, AWFUL at research, most psycological research is nothign short of PANTS, small non indepdnant sample sizes, MASSIVE skewed findings. MBTI has no scientific testing behind it acroding to wiki... which is quite funny I think

    I don't see the point in going round in circles with you its seriously dull, and just roaring that you think it's all rubbish just makes you seem uneducated. My original point was that astrology isn't about a month or even a day, it's abotu a specific moment in time and space... that is totally uneque.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tinkerbell View Post
    I'd say astrologers are like psycologist, AWFUL at research, most psycological research is nothign short of PANTS, small non indepdnant sample sizes, MASSIVE skewed findings. MBTI has no scientific testing behind it acroding to wiki... which is quite funny I think
    That's true of most scientific fields, including important ones like medicine, for various reasons. That doesn't mean all studies within them are worthless, some are very well done. You have to judge each piece of research by its own merit.

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