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    Default Personality traits most valued in your country?

    I hope this is in the right subforum.

    Something I have been thinking about lately is the fact that certain countries or cultures will, as a general trend, tend to value certain personality traits over others. (In fact, I believe there was a book written regarding this topic, but I haven't read it.) In terms of MBTI functions, which traits do you think your country or culture prefers? I have heard it said that in the United States, or even the west generally, ESTJ traits are favored (I have primarily heard this said by INFPs, the ESTJs' MBTI opposite). I kind of think this is correct.

    As far as MBTI goes, one of the great things about it is that there is really no type that is best or worst; they are just diverse and equally good/valuable. However, if your society favors the traits of a type very different from yours, I think a very real effect is that you may be looked at as "flawed", when in fact that is only a cultural perception and not an objective reality.

    Do those who are of a type whose traits are favored in any given culture tend to have an "easier" time existing in that culture? (Yes, I realize this is an inherently imprecise sort of question, given that there is no objective measure of whether one person's experiences are easier or harder than another person's, but I still think a discussion could be fruitful.)

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    I think XSTPs are favoured in Australian popular culture, so long as the P is fairly balanced. You have either the lovable ESTP larrikin or the resourceful, competent, man-of-few-words ISTP. Next in line would be INTJ.

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    I think that ESTJ is the favored type for men, and ESFJ is the favored for women. IS_J's would be a close second, as would EN_J's. IN_J's are the least understood J's, and our culture is fairly hostile to P's in general, especially E__P's. I__P's have it a little better, but not much.

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    I can say there's a distinction even amongst the subculture of being Southern. ESTP/ESTJ for the men. ISTJ/ISFJ for the women. Being an F male isn't generally acceptable, with the exception of an ISFJ male.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JivinJeffJones View Post
    I think XSTPs are favoured in Australian popular culture, so long as the P is fairly balanced. You have either the lovable ESTP larrikin or the resourceful, competent, man-of-few-words ISTP. Next in line would be INTJ.

    maybe I should move to Australia! (or the old west!)

    I'd definitley have to say that Extroversion and Judging are valued more highly in the US..... *sigh*

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    Quote Originally Posted by autumn View Post
    Something I have been thinking about lately is the fact that certain countries or cultures will, as a general trend, tend to value certain personality traits over others. (In fact, I believe there was a book written regarding this topic, but I haven't read it.)
    You've probably heard of Hofstede's work on culture. Courtesy of Wikipedia:

    Small vs. Large Power Distance - the extent to which the less powerful members of institutions and organizations expect and accept that power is distributed unequally. Small power distance (e.g. Austria, Denmark) expect and accept power relations that are more consultative or democratic. People relate to one another more as equals regardless of formal positions. Subordinates are more comfortable with and demand the right to contribute to and critique the decision making of those in power. In large power distance countries (e.g. China) less powerful accept power relations that are more autocratic and paternalistic. Subordinates acknowledge the power of others simply based on where they are situated in certain formal, hierarchical positions. As such the Power Distance Index Hofstede defines does not reflect an objective difference in power distribution but rather the way people perceive power differences. (...)

    Individualism vs. collectivism - individualism is contrasted with collectivism, and refers to the extent to which people are expected to stand up for themselves and to choose their own affiliations, or alternatively act predominantly as a member of a life-long group or organisation. Latin American cultures rank among the lowest in this category, while the U.S.A. is one of the most individualistic cultures.

    Masculinity vs. femininity - refers to the value placed on traditionally male or female values (as understood in most Western cultures). So called 'masculine' cultures value competitiveness, assertiveness, ambition, and the accumulation of wealth and material possessions, whereas feminine cultures place more value on relationships and quality of life. Japan is considered by Hofstede to be the most "masculine" culture, Sweden the most "feminine." Anglo cultures are moderately masculine. (...)

    Uncertainty avoidance - reflects the extent to which members of a society attempt to cope with anxiety by minimizing uncertainty. Cultures that scored high in uncertainty avoidance prefer rules (e.g. about religion and food) and structured circumstances, and employees tend to remain longer with their present employer. Mediterranean cultures and Japan rank the highest in this category.

    Long vs. short term orientation - describes a society's "time horizon," or the importance attached to the future versus the past and present. In long term oriented societies, pragmatism, thrift and perseverance are valued more; in short term oriented societies, normative statements, respect for tradition and reciprocation of gifts and favors are valued more. China and Japan and the Asian tigers score especially high here, with Western nations scoring rather low and many of the less developed nations very low; China scored highest and Pakistan lowest.
    Keep in mind that the work has been widely criticized. It's actually sort of like MBTI; it resonates with people, but science does not approve.

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    Finland: this is the consensus with age-independent groups, young people (like me) might have different values. I am not stating my own values in here. Here's some overlap and some contradictions. Also if you disagree with my interpretations, then put the emphasis on the traits mentioned (like openness), and try to re-think the label I put for it in a new way.

    -being a common man/common woman (S, openness-)
    -taking advantage of all the new developments (openness+, NT, SP)
    -developing the society (conscientiousness+, N, openness+)
    -challenging the society (agreeableness-, openness+)
    -modesty (I, agreeableness+)
    -accomplished (independet of typology; even quirky types are appreciated once it is known that they are accomplished.)
    -humble (agreeableness+)
    -unemotionality (T, neuroticisms-)
    -hard-working (conscientiousness+)
    -caring for the society (agreeableness+)
    -stable, staying the same (J, neuroticism-)
    -low-abiding (agreeableness+)
    -matter-of-fact (S, T)
    -perserverance (STJ kind)
    -challenging the common code of silence (E)
    -daring to show emotion (F, really minority groups advocate this).

    There are more controverses in some aspects of personality than the other. T is most agreed upon, others are less.

    All put together, it becomes ISTJ, biased by the strength of each preference as interpreted from society.

    As for FFM model, we think of ourselves as so independent and challinging in our thinking that I think that many people strive to be less agreeable than the people on average, although not in an anti-social manner, but as in to present an opposing view for the improvent of society, so that no point of view goes unseen. So We have a FFM model ideal of one with low extraversion, high conscientiousness, low to average agreeableness, low neuroticism and average to high openness.

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    I think that France is very Ne friendly... I always get along better with the French than with the English, and better with the English than Americans (generally, though I know a few real diamonds from NY and Seattle, and one gem from Texas).

    I'd be interested to hear from other people who, like me, are sorta 'bi-cultural'.
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    While I live in America, my family is from Sicily & has retained the traditional culture (not to mention the Roman Catholicism). In my family, an ISFJ or ISTJ woman is preferred. In fact, I was raised to cook, clean, and essentially fulfill the woman's duty to the men & children (and not complain about it!). I don't necessarily agree with it, but it's what's expected of the women in the family when we all get together & I think my family would cause a riot if I didn't participate in it.

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    The US in general seems to have a ESTP persona, IMO. Minnesotans in general have an ISFJ ("Minnesota Nice" and all that) persona IMO
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