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    Default Type relationships (counterpart, contrast, pedagogoue etc.)

    typelogic.com lists them all for each type. can someone explain the logic behind this (i.e. how it's calculated on a function to function basis) and if we think it has any validity?
    thanks

    Identity
    Pal
    Complement
    Contrast
    Supplement
    Anima
    Suitemate
    Cohort
    Companion
    Tribesman
    Advisor
    Pedagogue
    Enigma
    Novelty
    Neighbor
    Counterpart
    "Of course we spent our money in the good times. That's what you're supposed to do in good times! You can't save money in the good times. Then they wouldn't be good times, they'd be 'preparation for the bad times' times."

    "Every country in the world owes money. Everyone. So heere's what I dont get: who do they all owe it to, and why don't we just kill the bastard and relax?"

    -Tommy Tiernan, Irish comedian.

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    Sounds like Socionics...
    Often a star was waiting for you to notice it. A wave rolled toward you out of the distant past, or as you walked under an open window, a violin yielded itself to your hearing. All this was mission. But could you accomplish it? (Rilke)

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    their explanation is this, in some cases it makes more sense than others:

    Relationship Pairs: Definitions


    Advisor each has an area of insight that the other lacks
    Cohort mutually drawn into experiential escapades
    Companion similar modes of expression: bear each other's company well
    Complement compatible strengths with opposite emphases
    Supplement like Pal, but functions are farther removed: each can add to the other's strengths
    Tribesman share a sense of culture, but with different interests and abilities
    Anima fits Dr. Beebe's description of the anima/anumus: each is the other's inferior (4th) function
    Contrast point and counterpoint on each function
    Counterpart perform similar functions in totally different realms
    Enigma a puzzle: totally foreign in nearly every facet
    Identity same types: a typological mirror-image
    Neighbor arrive at the same place by variant processes
    Novelty intriguingly different: interestingly so
    Pal work and play well together: minimal natural type conflict
    Pedagogue each is both the other's mentor and student: has a "parent to child" feel
    Suitemate a person one might be comfortable sharing an office. Prefer similar climates, but don't necessarily have much in common as far as goals or world view

    And then this, where they try to sell you software :
    TypeLogic: Software Page
    "Of course we spent our money in the good times. That's what you're supposed to do in good times! You can't save money in the good times. Then they wouldn't be good times, they'd be 'preparation for the bad times' times."

    "Every country in the world owes money. Everyone. So heere's what I dont get: who do they all owe it to, and why don't we just kill the bastard and relax?"

    -Tommy Tiernan, Irish comedian.

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    Some of them make sense to me. The Enigma is simply the type those full 8 function order is the exact opposite of your own. In MBTI terms, their way of thinking is as far removed from your own as possible. For an INTJ like myself, the enigma type is ISFJ. For an INTP, it is ISFP.

    The anima type is the one whos first four functions are the same as your own, but in the opposite order. So mine is ESFP, and yours is ESFJ. The anima types start of very different, but will tend to understand reach others way of thinking more over time, as their tertiary and inferior functions develop

    The meaning of the others is a little hazy to me, as is the function relationship.

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    Okay....I'll analyze this for myself, according to the INFP matches for each of these.

    Identity INFP
    - duh

    Pal ENFP (work and play well together: minimal natural type conflict)
    - Very true. I've had several close ENFP friends and we click really well.

    Complement INFJ (Complement compatible strengths with opposite emphases)
    - Makes sense.

    Contrast ENFJ (Contrast point and counterpoint on each function)
    - True, but I find this almost more complimentary, in my friendships anyway.

    Supplement ISTJ (Supplement like Pal, but functions are farther removed: each can add to the other's strengths)
    - I find I can work well with an ISTJ in an office. Anything beyond a casual friendship and we clash. They can be too stuffy, and I can be too weird for them.

    Anima ESTJ (Anima fits Dr. Beebe's description of the anima/anumus: each is the other's inferior (4th) function)
    - Sort of on parallel planes that rarely cross. I don't know too many ESTJs personally. They are all around me, but we're going in different directions.

    Suitemate ISFJ (Suitemate a person one might be comfortable sharing an office. Prefer similar climates, but don't necessarily have much in common as far as goals or world view)
    - True, we can clash on perspectives, but we generally gel pretty well.

    Cohort ESFJ (Cohort mutually drawn into experiential escapades)
    - Experiential escapades? I don't feel that vibe from ESFJs. Maybe I've met the wrong ones .

    Companion INTP (Companion similar modes of expression: bear each other's company well)
    - Definitely. Besides ENFJs, my best guy friends tend to be INTPs.

    Tribesman ENTP (Tribesman share a sense of culture, but with different interests and abilities)
    - Definitely. Funny how similar yet different my ENTP dad and I am. We're both creative and independent, but our personalities aren't much alike at all.

    Advisor INTJ (Advisor each has an area of insight that the other lacks)
    - Possible, but I've yet to feel advised by an INTJ. I feel like I school them

    Pedagogue ENTJ (Pedagogue each is both the other's mentor and student: has a "parent to child" feel)
    - Not so sure about that. I think my aunt is ENTJ and I feel more cohort with her than an ESFJ.

    Enigma ISTP (Enigma a puzzle: totally foreign in nearly every facet)
    - Foreign, as in exotic, and appealing because of it

    Novelty ESTP (Novelty intriguingly different: interestingly so)
    - Yes....too bad novelty wears thin quickly.

    Neighbor ISFP (Neighbor arrive at the same place by variant processes)
    - Yes...totally makes sense. I feel a lot of similarities, but also stark differences with ISFPs I know.

    Counterpart ESFP (Counterpart perform similar functions in totally different realms)
    - Not sure what that means (similar functions?)...but I have several ESFP friends. I like them when they are smart and have well-developed Fi.

    So I guess it is a pretty decent system, as far as my personal experiences go.
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    that's quite interesting and I think it makes sense. I'd like to see more in depth descriptions of these type relationships.

    I like that it acknowledges the closer relationships and that the choices and order of preference make sense - for me particularly that first 4 and the neighbour are interesting. I don't think I know the types of enough people to consider the other relationships. It would take more thought.

    Quote Originally Posted by OrangeAppled View Post
    Anima ESTJ (Anima fits Dr. Beebe's description of the anima/anumus: each is the other's inferior (4th) function)
    - Sort of on parallel planes that rarely cross. I don't know too many ESTJs personally. They are all around me, but we're going in different directions.
    This one is of particular interest to me because my sister (according to my best guess) is an ESTJ. Being complete opposites, we have clashed a lot over the years, so I'm always interested in better understanding that interaction.

    To me, my sister is like the un-forgiving voice in the back my head that tells me I'm crap and useless. I guess this voice exists to motivate you and to avoid getting bogged down in your natural instictive reactions to things - kind of a shame and guilt meter. Specifically it says that I'm: lazy, disorganized, indecisive, anti-social, too unassertive, too scruffy, too celebral, too absent-minded, too accepting and forgiving, unnecessarily weird, inappropriate, self-involved, prone to over-think and over-complicate, and too withdrawn from and disrespectful toward social customs or expected behaviours. As you can imagine this is kinda brutal and difficult to deal with, but its even worse when you have to hear it from you sister. But my behaviour is always going to seem counter-intuitive to a ESTJ and vice-versa.

    I wonder whether I'm the evil voice in her head. That's a scary thought

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    I think it's interesting that Keirsey thought it best to pair types off romantically into what this site considers to be the "parent-child" relationship. Socinonics finds the parent-child relationship, or Relation of Supervision(exp.ENFP/INTJ, ISFP/ENFJ, ENTP/INFJ,etc..) to be one of the most complicated over the long-term. Weird, but I'm pretty sure I'd hate being the "supervised". Imago, I guess. How about, "hell no".

    In my experience, I get along best with my Companion(ENTP), Neighbor(ESFP), Enigma(ESTP), Novelty(ISTP), Counterpart(ISFP), and Suitemate(ESFJ). I feel immediately close to many ESTPs and ESFPs though, no issues understanding them. "Enigma" and "Suitemate" don't fit well for those types, in my experience.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EnFpFer View Post
    I think it's interesting that Keirsey thought it best to pair types off romantically into what this site considers to be the "parent-child" relationship. Socinonics finds the parent-child relationship, or Relation of Supervision(exp.ENFP/INTJ, ISFP/ENFJ, ENTP/INFJ,etc..) to be one of the most difficult. Weird, but I'm pretty sure I'd hate being the "supervised". Imago, I guess. How about, "hell no".
    Keirsey was working from a different system. If you think about the way he paired them it makes sense in that the relationship would combine to create balance. Of course he was working from stereotypes from either end of the temperament stereotypes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wolfy View Post
    Keirsey was working from a different system. If you think about the way he paired them it makes sense in that the relationship would combine to create balance. Of course he was working from stereotypes from either end of the temperament stereotypes.
    I was just saying that one theory suggest the "parent-child" relationship to be the best, and the other suggest it to be one of the worst.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EnFpFer View Post
    I was just saying that one theory suggest the "parent-child" relationship to be the best, and the other suggest it to be one of the worst.
    Keirsey types cooperative types with pragmatic types while keeping the other aspects the same.

    While socionics deals with needs of the ego and so forth. Supervision.

    What I am saying is that although the systems use the same or similar coding the basic framework that they are built on are fundamentally different.

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